Epicmafia

deletedalmost 8 years

Devante says

Kylo says

Devante says

Kylo says

Devante says

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

This, like most of your ideas, is a bad one.

why?
luicd made the meteor for a reason let it serve it's intended purpose

Lucid made the meteor for a bad reason. For the purpose of competitive games, which are only possible via the enforcement of this and a plethora of other roles, mafia should be forced to kill outside of the clear and be forced to take the autoloss that they have played themselves into should it result in that.

without the meteor you could just have mafia kill doc save inception

do you want to go into a day 500?

I'm not sure you're intelligent enough to have been following my argument

I'll say it in stupid people words for you. Mafia should be made to kill outside in the first place. By virtue of being in this situation at all, mafia has lost. Mafia cannot be in this situation unless they are sh.it, so they should just lose.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

what's arbitrary about it? correct me if i'm wrong but the doctor has 4 choices, none of which seem to be arbitrary:

assuming mafia kill

blue - 1/3 chance of losing
bomb - 0 chance of losing
mafia - 0 chance of losing
no one - 0 chance of losing

therefore selecting the blue only hurts his win condition? no?

deletedalmost 8 years

Hibiki says

if you can't see that, i can only admit to being very surprised. if you refuse to believe it, however, i can't really stop you and don't really mind.

I understand that saving on night seven can result in meteor and shouldn't be allowed or whatever.

But it's only night seven because the doctor has already saved a few times. The mafia should be made to kill outside the clear, and accept the autoloss that they have played themselves into. The town should not be punished for playing well.

Devante

almost 8 years

Kylo says

Devante says

Kylo says

Devante says

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

This, like most of your ideas, is a bad one.

why?
luicd made the meteor for a reason let it serve it's intended purpose

Lucid made the meteor for a bad reason. For the purpose of competitive games, which are only possible via the enforcement of this and a plethora of other roles, mafia should be forced to kill outside of the clear and be forced to take the autoloss that they have played themselves into should it result in that.

without the meteor you could just have mafia kill doc save inception

do you want to go into a day 500?

deletedalmost 8 years

Devante says

Kylo says

Devante says

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

This, like most of your ideas, is a bad one.

why?
luicd made the meteor for a reason let it serve it's intended purpose

Lucid made the meteor for a bad reason. For the purpose of competitive games, which are only possible via the enforcement of this and a plethora of other roles, mafia should be forced to kill outside of the clear and be forced to take the autoloss that they have played themselves into should it result in that.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

if you can't see that, i can only admit to being very surprised. if you refuse to believe it, however, i can't really stop you and don't really mind.

Devante

almost 8 years

Kylo says

Devante says

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

This, like most of your ideas, is a bad one.

why?
luicd made the meteor for a reason let it serve it's intended purpose

deletedalmost 8 years

Devante says

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

This, like most of your ideas, is a bad one.

Devante

almost 8 years

the simple solution is letting the game play out and not moderating meteor like i proposed months ago,

if town want to lynch let them lynch, if mafia want to wifom on the doc save on meteor night then so be it

the only time it should be moderated is if someone consistently does it

you guys wanna be scum hunters so stop the mafia from doing bad things

deletedalmost 8 years

Hibiki says

dont worry, i honestly dont disagree eith any notion that the mafia were bad and were in a bad situation and such like, but you must understand that, by the nature of the meteor existing, doctor choosing to save on night 7 can only hurt his win condition. i've never once said that's what /should/ be true but it's the only logical conclusion. surely you're smart enough to recognise logic?

It's only logical based on the bad arbitrary completely made up sh.itty concepts you and the other past mods have come up with : ).

You just admitted it SHOULDN'T be true, so I guess I'm right, like always.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

town ahouldnt be punished for playjng well, but meteor does that because its a bad mechanic that sucks and for some reason people dont consider the meteor a "real" game mechanic that essentially forces its own law

Hibiki

almost 8 years

dont worry, i honestly dont disagree eith any notion that the mafia were bad and were in a bad situation and such like, but you must understand that, by the nature of the meteor existing, doctor choosing to save on night 7 can only hurt his win condition. i've never once said that's what /should/ be true but it's the only logical conclusion. surely you're smart enough to recognise logic?

BlackBattler

almost 8 years

doc op

deletedalmost 8 years

Everyone is wrong but me and I'll kill anyone who disagrees.

deletedalmost 8 years

Hibiki says

bomb bomb vig gramps.

vig can kill, but should he? it's what he's supposed to be doing.

I don't think removing a player from the game and preventing a role from dying until you die first are at all comparable purposes when it comes to setup design.

You're smart enough to know that, probably. That's a s.hit argument.

deletedalmost 8 years

in what scenario is doc-saving a gamethrow if the mafia can kill the doctor? looool

deletedalmost 8 years

Why should town be punished for playing well? Mafia should be punished for playing poorly, just like in, well, you know, any other game...

Hibiki

almost 8 years

bomb bomb vig gramps.

vig can kill, but should he? it's what he's supposed to be doing.

deletedalmost 8 years

its basically mafia (potentially) already lost without it being official cause they sucked, they just have to confirm it, and the invisible rule you are trying to push is bailing them out. let them lose, they played bad.

deletedalmost 8 years

Hibiki says

kylo my dude are u saying that choosing a save on night 7 was a good decision?

Yes. The doctor shouldn't be forced to not use his power in a game where the town is winning and the doctor is consistently saving, which is his purpose.

When you're designing a setup, the whole point of the doctor is that he prevents one role from dying until the doctor dies first.

The doctor is literally doing what he is supposed to be doing.

The mafia, on the other hand, are in this situation because they've played horribly and already lost. This situation is not possible for the mafia if the mafia plays well.

deletedalmost 8 years

yes, and i have no idea why anyone would argue against allowing doctor to use his power

Hibiki

almost 8 years

kylo my dude are u saying that choosing a save on night 7 was a good decision?

BlackBattler

almost 8 years

Yeah I don't like the rules around meteor. If rocks fall and everyone dies that should be that but people abuse this so here we are.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

hi devante, im just killing time on my phone cuz i cant sleep.

playing a little mafia is tempting at times but i know that a high level game is unlikely so i dont bother.

deletedalmost 8 years

that specific scenario was the outcome of both town backing the mafia into a corner because of better play and the mafia screwing up. ending the game without an outcome and no rewards for either side is not an option, everyone else shouldn't be screwed over because the mafia were cowards of a 50/50 kill

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