Epicmafia

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Hibiki says

Kylo says

That's what rules are for. To enforce things we can't outside of the mechanics.

there is not one rule in the rules page that suggests "if X mechcanic is in play, then Y players must ignore its logistics and act accordingly to ensure fairness. not doing so is against the rules"

Well, there should be, that's what I'm saying.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

Kylo says

That's what rules are for. To enforce things we can't outside of the mechanics.

there is not one rule in the rules page that suggests "if X mechcanic is in play, then Y players must ignore its logistics and act accordingly to ensure fairness. not doing so is against the rules"

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Hibiki says

actually, i don't think there is any scenario that exists in the whole of mafia where a mechanic is ignored because it punishes those that "shouldn't" be punished. correct if i'm wrong, however

Mafia should be given a gamethrowing violation any time meteor is forced without exception, because mafia has to play poorly for meteor to occur at all.

Unless you think that there is a scenario where meteor can happen after mafia has played well, you're wrong and I'm right, end of story, na na na na boo boo, I'm smarter than you, boo hoo hoo

Hibiki

almost 8 years

punished in the sense that it makes it harder for them to win, not as in. moderator banning punishment

Hibiki

almost 8 years

actually, i don't think there is any scenario that exists in the whole of mafia where a mechanic is ignored because it punishes those that "shouldn't" be punished. correct if i'm wrong, however

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Sachy does play mafia and she is a lovely woman who is very wrong about this one small thing.

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Get your old a$$es that don't even play mafia anymore out of here with your grandma opinions. Go play partyyyyy, the epicmafia equivalent to bingo

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Town should have lynched the day before.

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That's what rules are for. To enforce things we can't outside of the mechanics.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

sorry for the run on sentences. it can be hard to keep track of sentence structure when posting on my phone.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

it's not strawman, dude. you can't pretend it doesn't exist. the meteor is a mechanic that exists, why wouldnt it be accounted for in setup design, surely if meteor can force doc to no-save, then the setup is bad for allowing that to happen?

is it not arbitrary to decide the meteor is the only case where we act on "should" instead of "is"?

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Hibiki says

damn, the doc died n1 in sds, town play out of their mind to get the first two mafia. the last mafia lives because the bomb misclicked and mishammers, but it is what it is, no?

Damn, dudes keep cheating using skype and technically we can't really enforce what happens on skype because we don't fu.cking own it. Is what it is?

Nah bro, that's why we have rules.

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The mafia should simply be given gamethrowing if meteor is forced in all circumstances. It is not possible for meteor to occur in a situation where mafia has played anything but awfully.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

damn, the doc died n1 in sds, town play out of their mind to get the first two mafia. the last mafia lives because the bomb misclicked and mishammers, but it is what it is, no?

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Hibiki says

the meteor is the only mechanic that exists that people want to try and bend to their will instead of saying "it is what it is".

like damn, doc saved bomb in SDS, it shouldnt be the case but it is what it is, no?

That's a bad setup design, not a bad refund precedent. No more strawman fallacies, please.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

the meteor is the only mechanic that exists that people want to try and bend to their will instead of saying "it is what it is".

like damn, doc saved bomb in SDS, it shouldnt be the case but it is what it is, no?

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Hibiki says

the doctor is forced, because the meteor makes it so. he shouldn't be, but he is. the only way to change it is to remove the meteor. just as town are forced to lynch on lylo, because the mafia kill makes it so. am i wrong?

Another way to change it is to simply make it a gamethrowing violation to force the meteor as mafia, because without exception, in all situations, the mafia has to be the one to f.uck up for the meteor to be forced

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Hibiki says

the doctor is forced, because the meteor makes it so. he shouldn't be, but he is. the only way to change it is to remove the meteor. just as town are forced to lynch on lylo, because the mafia kill makes it so. am i wrong?

He SHOULDN'T BE. That's my whole argument.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

the doctor is forced, because the meteor makes it so. he shouldn't be, but he is. the only way to change it is to remove the meteor. just as town are forced to lynch on lylo, because the mafia kill makes it so. am i wrong?

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Devante says

Kylo says

Hibiki says

if you can't see that, i can only admit to being very surprised. if you refuse to believe it, however, i can't really stop you and don't really mind.

I understand that saving on night seven can result in meteor and shouldn't be allowed or whatever.

But it's only night seven because the doctor has already saved a few times. The mafia should be made to kill outside the clear, and accept the autoloss that they have played themselves into. The town should not be punished for playing well.

playing well would be lynching all the mafia not getting 2/3 and basing the last one off mechanics

They've played well enough. The mafia has to consist of circus clowns for this to happen at all, comparatively.

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Hibiki says

the doctor never saved once in the game, dude. mafia nk'd nights 4 5 and 6

Or whatever, my arguments the same if they Nk'd nights 4 5 and 6. They should have been forced to kill. They lost by virtue of being in this situation.

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Hibiki says

what's arbitrary about it? correct me if i'm wrong but the doctor has 4 choices, none of which seem to be arbitrary:

assuming mafia kill

blue - 1/3 chance of losing
bomb - 0 chance of losing
mafia - 0 chance of losing
no one - 0 chance of losing

therefore selecting the blue only hurts his win condition? no?

Yes. Correct. Your logic is impeccable. Bravo. Encore.

But the doctor shouldn't be forced to make that choice, because the mafia should have been forced by the rules to make a kill 3 nights ago, being as they have already lost the game.

Hibiki

almost 8 years

the doctor never saved once in the game, dude. mafia nk'd nights 4 5 and 6

Devante

almost 8 years

Kylo says

Hibiki says

if you can't see that, i can only admit to being very surprised. if you refuse to believe it, however, i can't really stop you and don't really mind.

I understand that saving on night seven can result in meteor and shouldn't be allowed or whatever.

But it's only night seven because the doctor has already saved a few times. The mafia should be made to kill outside the clear, and accept the autoloss that they have played themselves into. The town should not be punished for playing well.

playing well would be lynching all the mafia not getting 2/3 and basing the last one off mechanics

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