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Peaceful Protests Erupt In Milwauke

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5KvKzBS6Tg

Video break down

7:00 Locals move bus stop to a more suitable location

8:20 Formal planning for future demonstrations

18:00 Light fixture adjustment

19:50 Racist tries to interrupt the peaceful protest

21:30 Light finally fixed

23:48 More racists trying to disturb protest

Additional viewing pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSWo4eDJghs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTPtt5sfM-4

New article

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-shooting-in-milwaukee-sparks-violent-protest/

Tension between races has never been lower!
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Early morning race bait thread
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Jumping to action before facts are presented
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Whites can't be the target of racism
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btch i am smarter than ur entire family
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veryniceboy says

stop talking


Lol you asked how it would be done, and you said stupid like whites be slaves. We've done compensation to other people before and it was through monetary means.
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stop talking
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veryniceboy says

i was using reparations as an example. how do you pay reparations? do white people become black people's slaves for a couple hundred years? no, see there's tension just in trying to get things to equal standing.

reparations is another topic tho, and a complicated af one.


The government gives some type of monetary compensation or something like we did for the japanese, or the germans to the jewish population.
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i was using reparations as an example. how do you pay reparations? do white people become black people's slaves for a couple hundred years? no, see there's tension just in trying to get things to equal standing.

reparations is another topic tho, and a complicated af one.
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veryniceboy says

i mean reparations for slavery or whatever lol...but one needs to put a limit on that, you know? you need to afford the person paying reparations something. otherwise they won't buy into it.


Reparations is a whole other topic, I dont think you should be paid for something that you didn't go through. If people wanted reparations for people who actually went though say jim crow laws i'd be ok with that
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i mean reparations for slavery or whatever lol...but one needs to put a limit on that, you know? you need to afford the person paying reparations something. otherwise they won't buy into it.
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i mean fam's got some semblance of a point here, and none of you are giving it to him. it's nonsense to put black crime entirely down to white people's actions. or even to sweep it under the rug as like an acceptable level of crime. and i say that believing there is literally no difference between black and white people but a difference in skin colour. it's just that there's very little to work with in it. there's going to have to be give and take in any actual remedying of tensions between people.
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ChilledOut says

Hey Fam did you see the petition that is calling for the Cinci Bengals to be renamed to the Cinci Harambes

It's over 21k sigs


Bengals is a boring name anyway plus they've sucked for like forever
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Hey Fam did you see the petition that is calling for the Cinci Bengals to be renamed to the Cinci Harambes

It's over 21k sigs
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[quote=Whitepimp007][quote=Fam][quote=Whitepimp007][quote=Fam][quote=Devante]

Fam says


Devante says


Fam says



Here's a citation for you, but there are literally dozens more. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2006.00061.x/full



That doesnt prove that white people do it just as often it just shows that blacks are unfairly checked more often which yes would lead do to more crime. But they still committed a crime.


I don't have to prove that white people do it equally often. Please use common sense here. You literally just agreed with what this research clearly proves, that blacks are unfairly checked more often which results in more blacks being found guilty of crimes.


I am using common sense here i agree with you on the unfair basis of blacks being prejudiced against but you are basing this on low level crimes, and there is no way you can tell if whites do it at the same level if they aren't checked with as much frequency. The crime i brought up in the first place was homicide rates, which you can't attribute to being checked more often due to profiling.
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I want Devante to see what I said because he is kinda like my debate partner
over 8 years

Fam says


Whitepimp007 says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]


I'll explain it with common sense first. Crime statistics tell us more about policing than crime. If I pull over twice as many black people as white people, I'm going to find twice as many black people committing crimes as I find white people committing crimes, right?

Here's a citation for you, but there are literally dozens more. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2006.00061.x/full



That doesnt prove that white people do it just as often it just shows that blacks are unfairly checked more often which yes would lead do to more crime. But they still committed a crime.


I don't have to prove that white people do it equally often. Please use common sense here. You literally just agreed with what this research clearly proves, that blacks are unfairly checked more often which results in more blacks being found guilty of crimes.
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Whitepimp007 says


Fam says


Whitepimp007 says

Fam, I'm really not trying to be rude with this question, but have you taken college level classes in statistics, criminology, applied criminology, police culture, criminal justice ethics, sociology, criminal justice, causation and prevention of crime, or restorative criminal justice? I've taken most of these classes and spent several years studying criminal justice and law at a college level. I've tried to correct some of your misunderstandings on a criminological and sociological level, but they're kind of just flying over your head. I'm looking up the statistics you're quoting, and lots of them are exposing problems with your understanding of statistics and interpreting research. I'm honestly trying not to play the authority card, but your comments on this are betraying an underlying lack of understanding about many basic levels of criminal science.


Good lord dude you posted one thing entirely based off an assumption then something about if koolaid was made illegal


Yes. While it seemed stupid, it was designed to illustrate that the effects of policy has a disparate impact on a specific race or ethnicity. The fact that this went over your head shows that you're not able to think about the actual statistical effects on a sample. It shows that you don't understand institutional racism being perpetrated on a community by those that set the policy. It shows that you don't understand the culture or prevention of crime when you respond by asking why they keep doing something that's illegal. So yes, this is what I'm basing your lack of knowledge on.


These are all things i have acknowledged, that the government has done things to hurt the black community. You are failing to see my point they are still knowingly committing a crime.
over 8 years

Fam says


Whitepimp007 says

Fam, I'm really not trying to be rude with this question, but have you taken college level classes in statistics, criminology, applied criminology, police culture, criminal justice ethics, sociology, criminal justice, causation and prevention of crime, or restorative criminal justice? I've taken most of these classes and spent several years studying criminal justice and law at a college level. I've tried to correct some of your misunderstandings on a criminological and sociological level, but they're kind of just flying over your head. I'm looking up the statistics you're quoting, and lots of them are exposing problems with your understanding of statistics and interpreting research. I'm honestly trying not to play the authority card, but your comments on this are betraying an underlying lack of understanding about many basic levels of criminal science.


Good lord dude you posted one thing entirely based off an assumption then something about if koolaid was made illegal


Yes. While it seemed stupid, it was designed to illustrate that the effects of policy has a disparate impact on a specific race or ethnicity. The fact that this went over your head shows that you're not able to think about the actual statistical effects on a sample. It shows that you don't understand institutional racism being perpetrated on a community by those that set the policy. It shows that you don't understand the culture or prevention of crime when you respond by asking why they keep doing something that's illegal. So yes, this is what I'm basing your lack of knowledge on.
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Whitepimp007 says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]


I'll explain it with common sense first. Crime statistics tell us more about policing than crime. If I pull over twice as many black people as white people, I'm going to find twice as many black people committing crimes as I find white people committing crimes, right?

Here's a citation for you, but there are literally dozens more. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2006.00061.x/full



That doesnt prove that white people do it just as often it just shows that blacks are unfairly checked more often which yes would lead do to more crime. But they still committed a crime.
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As a mostly conservative-thinking person, it is impossible to deny that people most likely to be arrested/searched/whatever are young black men, as opposed to the least likely, who are the white elderly women.

Are they because of stereotypes? Are they because of higher crime rates?

Yes and yes. There is correlation between environmental factors as well as behavioral issues. In ghetto neighborhoods, a lot of young black tweens are being exposed to two paths: hard work or gang work. A lot of them choose gang work because of the pressure on them to do well or to not die/not hurt their families.

However, there are a lot of situations in which better decisions can be made by the young black men.

These issues are not one-way. Many factors affect many problems. This is the reason these issues cannot be accurately closed; debates like the one happening now go in circles.
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Warrens says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]


https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

"The report also finds that, on average, a Black person is 3.73 times more likely to be
arrested for marijuana possession than a white person, even though Blacks and whites
use marijuana at similar rates..."


Something other then marijuana.
over 8 years

Fam says


Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]


I'll explain it with common sense first. Crime statistics tell us more about policing than crime. If I pull over twice as many black people as white people, I'm going to find twice as many black people committing crimes as I find white people committing crimes, right?

Here's a citation for you, but there are literally dozens more. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2006.00061.x/full
over 8 years

Fam says


Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]


https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/aclu-thewaronmarijuana-rel2.pdf

"The report also finds that, on average, a Black person is 3.73 times more likely to be
arrested for marijuana possession than a white person, even though Blacks and whites
use marijuana at similar rates..."
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Whitepimp007 says

Fam, I'm really not trying to be rude with this question, but have you taken college level classes in statistics, criminology, applied criminology, police culture, criminal justice ethics, sociology, criminal justice, causation and prevention of crime, or restorative criminal justice? I've taken most of these classes and spent several years studying criminal justice and law at a college level. I've tried to correct some of your misunderstandings on a criminological and sociological level, but they're kind of just flying over your head. I'm looking up the statistics you're quoting, and lots of them are exposing problems with your understanding of statistics and interpreting research. I'm honestly trying not to play the authority card, but your comments on this are betraying an underlying lack of understanding about many basic levels of criminal science.


Good lord dude you posted one thing entirely based off an assumption then something about if koolaid was made illegal
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Let's all just be friends
over 8 years
fam is quite obviously trolling by the way.
over 8 years

Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes




No he's saying its an oppressive cycle which has a racist backing and foundation. If African-Americans were never arrested in the first place, they wouldn't have to succumb to the system where they have to do illegal things to get by.

Although I don't believe it only has to do with police records. I get what you're saying.
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Devante says


Fam says


Devante says


Fam says

There is more police where there is more crime. I'm confused how your wanting to solve this. "These communities do more crime so less cops should be in these neighborhoods so less black people are arrested"


sigh


Devante you are literally saying that blacks should be arrested less for doing crimes


no, i was explaining why they are incarcerated more often than white people - the answer is if you target one specific group and you only pull them over eventually you're going to arrest enough to convince yourself that only they do the crimes, or rather they do the crimes more often than another group when infact both groups do it at the same rate


[Citation needed]