I do not know whether a thread like this already existed in case sorry for making one (but not really).
I am really interested in hearing people's thoughts on suicide. Some may even find it startling that I created a thread as they believe there is nothing to discuss but I think there is. Anyway, my only question to you all is whether you think it is moral to commit suicide and does every person have the right to do so?
Fallacy of relative privation ("not as bad as") – dismissing an argument or complaint due to the existence of more important problems in the world, regardless of whether those problems bear relevance to the initial argument.
generally, most people, especially on this site, do not have a reason to commit suicide
get a grip, people.
there are children in Syria and in other parts of the Middle East running away from ISIS and trying to survive
there are people in this world still being born into actual slavery
there are people in this world who don't have access to clean water and a reliable source of food
some of you people need to have your experiences and life invalidated. some of you have grown thinking that your experiences are always valid and very important, unable to cope when something goes wrong.
stop being dramatic - get a grip on reality and stop focusing on your victim hood
thats ok bdog as long as the message goes thru that is all i am concerned abt. i find it hard 2 care enough to put effort into formatting my words in2 a pretty (grammatically spellingly correct) way bcause it rly doesnt matter as long as i am understood and also esp cause this is epic mafia it rly doesnt matter how i type i will be dismissed no matter what ! shrug.
Three hour suicide ...To get me out of here In three years, 'Deicide' is all I'll ever hear. Death of God ...Death of feeling anything at all All my life this is understood Wasting my time like you knew that I would...knew that I would So I hide my internal suicide All my pride just to keep it inside... KEEP IT INSIDE BOY!!! suffer... All my life this is understood Wasting my time like you knew that I would ...Knew that I would So I hide my internal suicide All my pride just to keep it inside...keep it INSIDE Ten thousand lies... TEN THOUSAND LIES!!!
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tbh also dismissing suicidal ppl and just saying Go Get Professional Help (: isnt helpful and is in fact detrimental cuz access 2 mental healthcare is NOT an easy feat. ppl w mental illnesses r already at an economic disadvantage for 1 thing & for another, like..... lmao for real if u have ever had 2 deal personally w therapists & psychs & bills & insurance & all the bull shint that goes in2 getting help then like.... u will understand.... but the problem is ppl w/o mental illness straight up Cannot understand which is y u need to get urself outta convos like this cuz ur opinion doesnt matter LOL offense meant. plus therapy requires a lot of time 2 work and that time will add up to a lot of money to spend on visits. THEN also take in2 account if u want medication, u gotta see a psych so ur seeing 2 diff doctors to get ur shxt figured out and spending a llllllllllot of money. imo u should help ur friends if they are struggling & i understand professional help is the best option out there & u r also not obligated 2 b anyones therapist but u r obligated 2 b a good friend & offer them support & maybe even help them gain access 2 healthcare.
lol ppl who call suicide selfish lack self awareness.
anyways i didnt try n format this comprehensibly not rly but i hop eit makes sense & if u havve any questions / need clarification pls feel free 2 engage me in discussion ^_^
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lol suicide isnt selfish nor is it immoral. if u think its selfish, ur the selfish one. ppl arent props in ur life that u keep around to make urself happy. if u call someone who killed themselves or tried to kill themselves selfish then like, do u even care about that person? or just urself and ur feelings? r they selfish cuz they caused u pain? is that what selfishness is?
also re: judging ppl attempting suicide for attention, fxck off lmao. who r u to draw a line between Actual suicidal ppl and Fakers? like if someone is so emotionally distraught that they attempt suicide then like, there is a problem there and the problem is not them it is Whatever created these intense feelings in the first place. ppl who attempt suicide for attention do so cuz the only time they ever receive attention and care from ppl is when they go to such an extreme. in that sense u get rewarded for the attempt. ppl pay attention to suicide but they dont pay attention to anything that leads up to the suicide. in short: ppl who attempt suicide for attention are in fact Truly suicidal and u should not dismiss ppl who r in pain.
suicide, and the events leading up 2 suicide, r extremely complex. suicidal ideation happens for a lot of reasons, the attempts happen for a lot of reasons, and the act happens for a lot of reasons.
Lol no matter what your opinion is, it honestly doesn't matter. If a person really wants to die, they're going to attempt whether you approve of it or not. You cannot help someone who does not want to be helped. What you can do, however, is learn to ask the right questions, know the warning signs, and to be a proper support person. Asking someone you suspect is suicidal if they are experiencing suicidal thoughts is the absolute best way to get a conversation started. It gives them an opportunity to talk about the topic, which the person may not have had before. Offer to listen, but know your limits. You are not a counselor, nor a mental health professional (yeah, your bachelor's in psych doesn't count) so don't pretend to be. Offer options for professional help that can be easily accessed (if they are from an area you are unfamiliar with, there are online resources and resources via telephone that connect you with mental health professionals).
Do not try to diagnose someone, you are not a professional. YOU ARE NOT A PROFESSIONAL. The only thing you should be offering is your ear, and information on resources.
Some resources include:
The National Suicide Helpline (USA) 1-800-273-TALK
Kids Help Phone (Canada) (For youth 20 or younger) 1-800-668-6868 and online at kidshelpphone.ca
Good2Talk (for Canadian post secondary students) 1-866-925-5454
I have some mental health training and am planning on completing Mental Health First Aid training within the next year. I also have lived experience with mental illness so I can offer some peer support, and also can give information and explanations on coping skills. I am not a mental health professional, and nothing I say should take the place of what a mental health professional says. I'll probably make a post about coping skills and resources if there is enough interest. Feel free to message me, and please, stay safe.
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Suicidal people, those that are TRULY suicidal and not just looking for attention, ARE suffering from severe emotional trauma. They truly believe there is no other way out and honestly that is the saddest thing. It either takes a LOT of pain in your life, or a chemical imbalance in your brain, to get to this stage.
Either way there is nothing funny about suicide, it has ruined countless lives on all sides of the spectrum. All we can do is try to always be kind to those around us. You never know who is one comment away from making a decision like that.
** I had to cut it into two pieces because it was too long, my apologies.
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Let me preface everything I'm about to say with the following; Assisted Suicide (For medical reasons) and Suicide, are in no way, shape or form the same thing.
Suicide is a mental illness that has taken over decision making and rendered you incapable of seeing that all life is worth living for.
Assisted Suicide is something a rational person can decide to do, when they have been told from medical professionals that the end is near, and there is nothing that can be done but wait for it to come.
I am not hear to debate whether or not AS is ethical, so please don't ask me my thoughts on that.
As far as suicide goes it's a very touchy subject obviously. While I find suicide to be incredibly selfish, I do not think a person capable of committing suicide is able to think of anything outside of depression.
Unless you have been through mind bending, physically debilitating depression you really cannot put yourself in the shoes of someone that has. And of those that have been through this depression, I would say only a very, very small number are capable of committing suicide. (Killing yourself, just like killing another human in cold blooded murder, is not something a "normal" human can do. It takes a certain lack of consciousness to be able to do either of these acts as empathy, either for yourself(you don't want to ruin your life going to jail) or for the other person would come into play).
I've kind of ranted in this, and I lost my train of thought so I'll end it on this.
This is such a terrible argument. Just because the African kids have different problems doesn't mean the problems of Westerners are less valid. Besides the way I see it African children have to really fight for their right to live if they want to survive while Westerners don't, not unless a thing like famine or war occurs. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to you, I am perfectly happy not having a war taking place in my country or having to eat only a third of what we, westerners, are eating, even if it brings complications like depression. If the Africa thing is your type of thing then sure, be my guest.
Also if this was a troll post then ignore this rant lol
Just think about those fking african kids that walk 3 hours to school and 3 hours back home through the rocks and sticks and bodys of water. And look at you, how comfortable you are. Get a grip
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