Epicmafia

over 8 years

No, I am saying enough content was generated to raise reasonable doubt behind dzanek's so called hipfire.

The original mod acknowledged that what dzanek did was not without its faults and told them to be more careful in the future. I do not think it is fair to challenge this verdict.

denial

over 8 years

alternatively

'banned users cant file reports'

Desiigner

over 8 years

A quote from the other thread.

Solace says

Whether they flip mafia or town when shot is irrelevant in hipfire.

Imagine the same scenario but the user who shot was Betrayal and he shot BS/Cop. You wouldn't be defending that it wasn't a hipfire and you're blatantly lying if you disagree.

Before you argue that Betrayal has a history of throwing or whatever, Dzanek also has an active GT vio.

Desiigner

over 8 years

4 players hadn't even spoke, 2 players said 1 line, 1 player quoted and said the same thing twice and another 1 player (JM123, arguably the only who could possibly be read) had said a few lines

You're arguing that a shot in ~10 seconds into the game where the above occurred + shooting without asking for claim when both PRs were hidden, isn't a hipfire in your opinion.

Desiigner

over 8 years

Solace says

dzanek denied it being a hipfire in their report.

I don't see why you're lying about this. Anyone can see from the original report that he didn't deny the hipfire but rather denied it being GT since he claimed to be playing to win. See "even the guy who got hipfired" which means he admits he hipfired.

vilden

over 8 years

Desiigner says

Let's just pretend what Solace said and he had TRs on JM+Marco. Shooting randomly in a pool of 6 unclears (where the majority of the 6 hadn't even spoke) when it's 50% chance of hitting mafia is still hipfire considering both PRs were not outed.

He's right, Solace

Desiigner

over 8 years

Let's just pretend what Solace said and he had TRs on JM+Marco. Shooting randomly in a pool of 6 unclears (where the majority of the 6 hadn't even spoke) when it's 50% chance of hitting mafia is still hipfire considering both PRs were not outed.

Solace

over 8 years

vilden says

https://epicmafia.com/report/178524 - Solace, I'm going to appeal and make a fuss of this if you don't vio the op's report

I cannot review this game.

denial

over 8 years

Devante says

Solace says

The original mod believed dzanek made borderline-acceptable attempts to isolate the shot, and I agree with their assessment.

No, we do not encourage hipfire. I believe the original mod also gave a verbal warning.

U realize he literally said he was gonna..a hip fire, then shot someone e who didn't even speak lol

yeah, the whole round was like this. check out the setup and the #1 "HELL YEAH" strat

Solace

over 8 years

Devante says

Solace says

The original mod believed dzanek made borderline-acceptable attempts to isolate the shot, and I agree with their assessment.

No, we do not encourage hipfire. I believe the original mod also gave a verbal warning.

U realize he literally said he was gonna..a hip fire, then shot someone e who didn't even speak lol

I could see them townreading MARCO and JM123 and shooting by PoE.

dzanek denied it being a hipfire in their report.

and I don't think a self-proclamation of hipfiring is an admission of guilt. It's like people who say "YOLO" before hammers. More often than not, they aren't really YOLOing at all, their hammers are calculated and the 'YOLO' serves as a defense mechanism in case they're wrong: "oh I mishammered. oh well I yolo'd "

vilden

over 8 years

They same reasoning Solace just used is what pro players do in 100% of games but they would still get a GT vio for that shot. A single line can be used to isolate mafia (if you can tell who's town based on one line)

I got a GT vio even while communicating with a mafia I shot

Desiigner

over 8 years

Isolating a shot to a percentage of 50% of hitting mafia is still not high enough for it to not be a hipfire.

Also I can only see how there could be a weak TR on JM. You're being ridiculous by arguing the TR on Marco for that one line he said which was "i am blue finally".

This was a textbook hipfire and you are indirectly encouraging hipfire albeit you may not realize that you are doing so but you are by allowing this sort of play to get away without a vio.

vilden

over 8 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/178524 - Solace, I'm going to appeal and make a fuss of this if you don't vio the op's report

Devante

over 8 years

Solace says

The original mod believed dzanek made borderline-acceptable attempts to isolate the shot, and I agree with their assessment.

No, we do not encourage hipfire. I believe the original mod also gave a verbal warning.

U realize he literally said he was gonna..a hip fire, then shot someone e who didn't even speak lol

vilden

over 8 years

Nice reflexes

Solace

over 8 years

The original mod believed dzanek made borderline-acceptable attempts to isolate the shot, and I agree with their assessment.

No, we do not encourage hipfire. I believe the original mod also gave a verbal warning.

vilden

over 8 years

https://epicmafia.com/report/178524

I shot mafia

I even communicated with the same mafia

I received a GT vio for hipfiring. Mods decided as a team to vio this

Desiigner

over 8 years

Since Solace is afraid to argue against me because he knows he will lose, posting here what he posted in Betrayal's thread.

Solace says

Hi,

I agree with the verdicts given because I can see dzanek townreading MARCO and JM123 and shooting in the remaining 6 players. 3/6 - fair shot.

I see that you're just defending the decision made in an attempt to defend the integrity of the mods.

It's a far stretch to say you can see him townreading Marco and JM based on those few lines.

Anyhow for the latter of your statement - shooting randomly in a remaining 6 players with a 50% chance of shooting mafia is still hipfiring.

Also there's the fact that he shot in ~10 seconds + without asking for claim + dzanek even admitted he hipfired in the original report filed.

Can you not see that you defending this hipfire is basically you encouraging hipfiring?

Desiigner

over 8 years

If mods need to discuss this then that's pretty damn worrying. They can also discuss it here. Is not a single mod here to give their opinion on this matter? Active forum moderator poster Edark perhaps?

Desiigner

over 8 years

It wasn't even 2 minutes ftr.

01:44 dzanek114...
I am sheriff

02:14 Gun shot

That is 30 seconds in mafia-time which is about 10 seconds in real time.

Secondly, not everyone had spoke. Only 4 players other than the sheriff had spoke.

Thirdly, the context that was spoken by those 4 players were hardly enough to have gotten a read on

leo

over 8 years

Desiigner says

leo says

Desiigner says

Alright it seems Ethereal/expose are cowering away from this. Would any other mod like to come to their defence?

uhhhhhhh

ethereal isnt a mod anymore

Right but they can still explain themselves. Expose has no reason to cower away from this

fair enough but a lot of ppl have already complained about ethereal's incorrect reporting

expose might just be offline, or talking about it w/ the other mods. you only made this thread 10 mins ago

deletedover 8 years

I agree with Betrayal both shot around the same time in each game, give dza de vio.

Desiigner

over 8 years

leo says

Desiigner says

Alright it seems Ethereal/expose are cowering away from this. Would any other mod like to come to their defence?

uhhhhhhh

ethereal isnt a mod anymore

Right but they can still explain themselves. Expose has no reason to cower away from this

Betrayal

over 8 years

This is not fair, Tiffiduliu got a violation for hipfiring Lawyer on d1 and dzanek gets no violation, not fair at all. https://epicmafia.com/topic/78528

leo

over 8 years

Desiigner says

Alright it seems Ethereal/expose are cowering away from this. Would any other mod like to come to their defence?

uhhhhhhh

ethereal isnt a mod anymore

How is this not a hipfire?