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Round 433 Discussion

over 8 years

Congratulations to the winners of Round 430!


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Good luck to the participants of Round 433!

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over 8 years
i played with vegan and he didn't really seem like he was cheating, is he abc or something
over 8 years

panthero says

No one asked for an explanation. We are already aware of the mod team for a long time. Everybody knows what's up. Jeff isnt the only friend they had. Tell me how vegan did worse than thirdaug


he got suspended for honest meta. do you think thirdaug did the same and what was it if so?
over 8 years
I clearly supported that vegan should get multiple ogi vios. But mods show double standards.
over 8 years
I, for one, was unaware Vegan was getting suspended and it upset me because I found him to be a fun player.
over 8 years
No one asked for an explanation. We are already aware of the mod team for a long time. Everybody knows what's up. Jeff isnt the only friend they had. Tell me how vegan did worse than thirdaug
over 8 years

panthero says

Poeple shouldn't bother if they lose trophies like this. There is no legitimacy to epicmafia trophies anymore. The mods decide who win the trophy. If they don't like someone, they will find a way to strip them off it. They didn't even give this guy time to respond. The rule is 24 hours to respond. They disqualified him and closed the round. And if these mods want someone to win, they will create new rules to let them go. They said it was allowed to meta abuse with friends when they wanted gerry to win. These guys are from the same circle jerk. Gerry even defended poser blatantly and blatantly helped her with his mod powers to win the trophies and suspended me when I accused her. We cant expect any better from the current mod team when 90% of them are big time cheaters hackers previous banned users. Only one or 2 legit mods who actually do the right thing.


given that it seems like you read the pastebin and agreed with what their findings came up with, should he have been given a 24 response time to respond to those allegations?

also keep in mind that just because we don't see it, mods may have spoken to him and he admitted to using it and was therefore suspended

anyways im assuming and it seems to be the case that these last second suspensions aren't actually out of nowhere and it's just not publicly known if somebody is being investigated (haiup last round, although im not sure if he actually was given 24 hours to defend himself or not)
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Why did vegan get suspended
over 8 years
Beautiful with Jeff's accounts: 4-0-2-0. 4 mutual wins.

Maldito with Dylan's accounts: 10-1-3-3. 10 mutual wins.

That's where the 14 number comes from.

Collecting meta-data is another way of saying becoming aware of each others' behavior/gameplay on both alignments.
over 8 years

Becomeclear says

14 mutual win and 1 loss?!?!?!?!?


the guy suspended (theveganathiest) has 7 mutual wins and 0 losses with beautiful

vdli's just kind of a stupid setup when you play it with a circlejerk
over 8 years
What do you mean by collecting meta-data on each other?
over 8 years
14 mutual win and 1 loss?!?!?!?!?
over 8 years
I next looked at their mutual wins. They have 14 mutual wins and 1 mutual loss. In all of Beautiful's games with Jeff's accounts and Maldito's games with Dylan's accounts, there is no substantial evidence of foul play. Neither player ever automatically assumed that the other person was aligned with him, nor was there evidence of outside-game communication. They frequently genuinely appealed to each other in a way that suggests ignorance of each others' roles.

I am aware of the fact that Dylan has 4 accounts on the leaderboard this round, and that Pinche (Jeff) was also in the top 5. They played many games with each other this round and gathered a lot of meta-data on each others' play. With this in mind, I re-read the games that they played on their main running accounts to see if there was any sort of meta-abuse/OGI/honest meta occurring and found none.

I believe that rumors and speculation over statistics are the basis of the cheating allegations that have been leveled. I was and am amenable to reading any real, evidence-backed cases of cheating/meta-abuse between the two players, and would have re-reviewed the games that I read to confirm the evidence/accusations, but no one presented me with evidence. I cannot act upon hearsay and rumors without proof.

I hope this clears some things up.
over 8 years
I was going to post this in a pastebin and just post the link but I think it's better for me just to post it in multiple posts.

Beautiful:
- 3 games with Maldito, 1 mutual win 1 win over 1 veg.
- 3 games with alphaturtle43, 2 mutual wins 1 win over
- 2 games with Jeff, 1 mutual win 1 veg.
- 1 game with JeffreyAaron, 1 mutual win.
- Overall: 7 completed games. 4-0-2-0 record, with a win over Jeff's trophying account (Maldito).

Maldito:
- 8 games with Dyl, 5-1-1-1.
- 5 games with ThirdAug, 4-0-0-0 with 1 veg.
- 3 games with Beautiful, 1-0-1-0 with 1 veg.
- 2 games with Ideal, 0-0-0-2.
- 1 game with GerrysGoat. 0-0-1-0.
- Overall: 17 completed games. 10-1-3-3 record.

I considered these statistics when I investigated the games that Jeff and Dylan played together in the round.

The way I went about it was thus: I read the games that they won over each other for evidence of playing towards the other player's win condition when they knew that the other player was on the opposite team. I found no evidence of this. They both played to their own win conditions independently of what the other's role was in all of the games that they were on opposite alignments.
over 8 years
Poeple shouldn't bother if they lose trophies like this. There is no legitimacy to epicmafia trophies anymore. The mods decide who win the trophy. If they don't like someone, they will find a way to strip them off it. They didn't even give this guy time to respond. The rule is 24 hours to respond. They disqualified him and closed the round. And if these mods want someone to win, they will create new rules to let them go. They said it was allowed to meta abuse with friends when they wanted gerry to win. These guys are from the same circle jerk. Gerry even defended poser blatantly and blatantly helped her with his mod powers to win the trophies and suspended me when I accused her. We cant expect any better from the current mod team when 90% of them are big time cheaters hackers previous banned users. Only one or 2 legit mods who actually do the right thing.
over 8 years
This vegan guy is not some random new inexperienced player.

But mods did do this wrong. Jeff and thirdaug did much worse than vegan. They literally admitted in games that they were carrying each other.
over 8 years

roadman says

Oh I forget you only like trashy white blondes.


LMAO
over 8 years
Oh I forget you only like trashy white blondes.
over 8 years
Nah I like Red Stripe, I was probably just saying it was a stop out beer if I was speaking negatively about it. Red Stripe lemon sounds all kinds of wrong tho. How was Jamaica? Did you bang anyone out there?
over 8 years
Yo Harry I got back from Jamaica a few days ago, and I remember we had the red strip conversation & u dislike it but if you ever see a "red stripe lemon" in any liquor store or anywhere try it

I hate alcohol but that beverage was the shiiiiiit
over 8 years

TheVeganAtheist says

Guys when 3-4 mutually friendly people are playing in a Game I cant kill any of them as scum because its autoloss cause "meta-clearing".

Have played many games clearing people on n1 deaths, I dont mind it, because it works in favor of me for 50% cases and it works against me for 50% cases.

I did swore just to establish a profound appeal to emotions to avoid town tunnel on me because it happened with me in the games in this round. Yes, I didnt swore as scum because I felt more confident as scum in getting a town lynched, but it wasnt like I swore in every game when I was town, it happened in a very few games. But its ludicrous assumption to made that it was unfair. People put forward most , non-game related reasons for why they are town, like they were peeing during the night and what not, its upto the town to believe it or not, and in my case, most of these games turned out to be a loss for me.

If I could play exactly same as scum/town then I would have to become either the best or the worst EM player.


That's cheating bro lol
over 8 years
Pastebins are a waste of time.
over 8 years
Jeff was modded along with others because they are close friends with cody, and jeff specifically would freak out if he was demodded, causing cody to freak out cause hes been around jeff for too long. Cant predict what happens after that, but I'm sure it'll be good
over 8 years
If Jeff really did cheat(I don't see the pastebin in this thread) and u guys aren't gonna ban him maybe u should at least remove him as a mod lol we won't think you're homophobic
over 8 years

Soluciones says

it's not, but friendship is what makes it hard. that's what happens for modding friends


epicmafia does not currently have a good admin
over 8 years

Soluciones says

just make anon non-troll decks obligatory in competitive. cheating would even be more obvious and metareading wouldnt exist. outing your username would be ogi and all that


Dumb idea by a player I'll assume is bad since reading players based on their actions, reactions ect in past games is important in comp