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Round 433 Discussion

over 8 years

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holy sh*t i'm a god
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Cody says

@Vegan the pact lies within the fact that you only "swore on your mother" when you were town and never as mafia and you referred to being able to bring it up and use it with people in multiple games with stuff like "i can use the meta if you want"



Well I said that because I fosed him and I was trying to get an overreaction. But anyways, the meta word is too dangerous to be touched upon now.
over 8 years
I'm not saying anything, I'm just looking at the numbers.
over 8 years
Looking at ThirdAug's winrate over the past 3 rounds I noticed an unsurprising spike in his winrate once he started playing with Jeff.
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Snap decision DQs are like those games where you're town as f'uck all game long and the clear goes at the last second: "Hmmmm you know what? F'uck it."

Hammers you. Town loses
over 8 years
i don't think the 8 games he said he would swear on his mother is worth a DQ three minutes before the round ends
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I was never banned, I used to play mostly different kind of games, specially the fool/vigil setup in the those times. I hardly played any competitive games because I would lose first 3-4 games and lose hope and go back to fool-games. This was the first time I reached top 10, I even decayed by a heart still I was doing good.
If you hang someone because of suspicion without proof its not fair.
over 8 years

Pinche says

. I, for one, am against the DQ and think it was unfair. I haven't read the pastebin, though.


HAHAHAHAHA
women in a nutshell
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Solace says

I'm sorry vegan, you really should have been given 24 hours to make a counter-argument. I will take measures to make sure something like this does not happen again.


over 8 years
@Vegan the pact lies within the fact that you only "swore on your mother" when you were town and never as mafia and you referred to being able to bring it up and use it with people in multiple games with stuff like "i can use the meta if you want"

@EtherealFan it was a decision that was made shortly after the bin that showed the use of his honest meta throughout the round.

i apologize for the way the situation was handled - you should have been given more time to respond.
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No, asking who he was happened way before anything. Arcbell confirmed who Vegan was after I sent the PM and I believe it had no part in the DQ. I, for one, am against the DQ and think it was unfair. I haven't read the pastebin, though.
over 8 years
I'm sorry vegan, you really should have been given 24 hours to make a counter-argument. I will take measures to make sure something like this does not happen again.
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Oh, yeah it sounds like they suspect you for being a banned user then, Vegan, and that's what contributed more to your DQ than the meta thing

There is no banned user who plays that way though, and I bet mods still let their suspicion of you being one influence the DQ (which is totally f'ucked)
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Vegan says

No Moderator talked to me or asked me anything, I was suspended 3 minutes before round ended. I shot a pm to moderator, to get a reply nothing can be done now, so I didnt bother.


Cody, which mod pushed for this? Was it a collective decision or what? It seems really wrong dude
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BTW I was asked by 2 moderators about my "original" main account because I did not appear as new as "Rooo"..

JeffryAaron and Expose asked me that..

Just some of us moderators are wondering who your main could be "seeing" as you say things that indicate you're an older user than just Rooo.


I gave the same reply to both of them and it was:


I forgot my logn/password to my account where I played this game long time back. And I created that account on my company email id, since I have changed my company, the email Id no longer exists, So I have no way to recover my account. I have Roo/TheVeganAtheist now.
over 8 years
over 8 years
it wasn't exactly a blind DQ

annabelle was on 4th place, that's why Haiup was DQ'd.
over 8 years
ever since i stopped caring about mafia my **** has grown bigger
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For the record, Haiup's trophy was completely legit (meaning it wasn't cheated for)

Mods never found out who he was, so he was simply blind DQ'd based on pure speculation of him being a banned user

This is an example of mods "making up a reason" to get rid of someone trophying who isn't their friend
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Cody says

I next looked at their mutual wins. They have 14 mutual wins and 1 mutual loss. In all of Beautiful's games with Jeff's accounts and Maldito's games with Dylan's accounts, there is no substantial evidence of foul play. Neither player ever automatically assumed that the other person was aligned with him, nor was there evidence of outside-game communication. They frequently genuinely appealed to each other in a way that suggests ignorance of each others' roles.

I am aware of the fact that Dylan has 4 accounts on the leaderboard this round, and that Pinche (Jeff) was also in the top 5. They played many games with each other this round and gathered a lot of meta-data on each others' play. With this in mind, I re-read the games that they played on their main running accounts to see if there was any sort of meta-abuse/OGI/honest meta occurring and found none.

I believe that rumors and speculation over statistics are the basis of the cheating allegations that have been leveled. I was and am amenable to reading any real, evidence-backed cases of cheating/meta-abuse between the two players, and would have re-reviewed the games that I read to confirm the evidence/accusations, but no one presented me with evidence. I cannot act upon hearsay and rumors without proof.

I hope this clears some things up.


Thanks for the due diligence

But you often act "on hearsay and rumors without proof" (see Haiup's DQ for example)

When it came to your friend you must admit there was heavy leniency
over 8 years
No cody. No player has ever been suspended for that. It would be another thing if he got an ogi vio for it and he didn't stop. What jeff and team did was worse. Much worse. They had their pre game pacts done elsewhere. If I were admin I'd give vegan an ogi vio for the very first time he used this. And then he would stop. If he continued, I'd give him more vios that would ban him. I wouldn't dq him at end of round without a vio. And I'd ban third and his entire group.
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thecolonel says

"09:44 TheVeganA...I want to meta clear myself, he is a good friend of me
09:53 TheVeganA...I wouldnt n1 him"

Is this sort of thing generally against the rules here?


I thought it wasn't but I will keep that in mind.
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panthero says

Poeple shouldn't bother if they lose trophies like this. There is no legitimacy to epicmafia trophies anymore. The mods decide who win the trophy. If they don't like someone, they will find a way to strip them off it. They didn't even give this guy time to respond. The rule is 24 hours to respond. They disqualified him and closed the round. And if these mods want someone to win, they will create new rules to let them go. They said it was allowed to meta abuse with friends when they wanted gerry to win. These guys are from the same circle jerk. Gerry even defended poser blatantly and blatantly helped her with his mod powers to win the trophies and suspended me when I accused her. We cant expect any better from the current mod team when 90% of them are big time cheaters hackers previous banned users. Only one or 2 legit mods who actually do the right thing.


Amazing post here
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Cody says

No. There's nothing wrong with that. The issue at hand was a phrase that he would use only as town and never as mafia, constituting a pregame pact over all of the games he played in the round.


If you could provide a pregame pact evidence, in my case? There are none.
over 8 years
This all seems rather...


fishy