i mean i still don't think anyone needs an m16, do you?

nah, you got me. it's a tricky one. some c*nt tries to a girl up an alley, or some c*nt breaks into some little old lady's house, they deserve to be blown away.

what about just women get guns? lol

Better to have it and not need than need it and not have it.

Tasers and other nonlethal self-defense items are far from 100% effective, especially when adrenaline is involved. What do you say to the person whose taser was unable to prevent their sexual assualt? 'Better luck next time?'

what u gonna click on that poll, pavoneo? 95 lb girls with ak47's in their purses? grandma m16?

or fck it, concealed carries seem about the most nuts of it to me. let some little old lady have a shotgun behind her bedroom door

the government stuff is pure paranoia tho

i might go for arming all women with tasers alright

Guns are more than a failsafe for when the government oversteps its bounds. It's an equalizer that takes physical size and strength out of the equation for self-defense. Nearly any human, from a 95lb girl walking home alone at night to an 88 y/o woman whose house is broken into can pull a trigger.

Removing guns has the greatest detriment to the weakest members of our society, something you'd think Euros would understand given the current state of their continent :^)

You won't see me coming Sirius... *breathes deeply*

kidding.

bullet would've blown him away. ur gonna see a knife coming too etc.

That's because skulls are tough dude, swinging a sword is only good if you penetrate nice soft areas, it's better to thrust through a major artery, then death is imminent.

well i'm gonna bow out because i've said just about everything i have to say

i think guns are fcking mental dude lol

i have a mate got hit down on top of the head with sword before, bounced off his skull gave him a big horseshoe scar down to his ear. still alive, taking it easy lol. it's surprisingly hard to kill someone garyoak lol

The English are gone but we once were English too, when we liberated ourselves from them so yes, we may need to liberate ourselves from ourselves to become something new.

If I recall you can't be forced to utter the pledge but yes at least during the 3 grades I spent in a public school it happened every day. History and Government textbooks are highly biased towards the American perspective too and gloss over a lot of things.

I think walking down the street carrying a bowie knife shoved in the back of your pants, or with some explosives in a bag would have the same weight, perhaps more in the case of a bomb because imagine just how many lives you could end with one push of the switch.

veryniceboy says

and i mean who are u going to liberate ur country from now? americans? ur father, ur brother, ur cousin? that's what i'm saying. is there any need for that little stipulation u just highlighted? english are gone mate, u guys celebrated that like a few days ago

and so guns are the embodiment of individualism

do u guys really pledge allegiance to the flag in school every morning? i actually never bothered to check that out before now

sends us ur guns tho, we have a few english left

Discordia says

And I don't think guns represent individuality, I think they're merely means to an end, a tool yes in the hands of an individual, but not something that shapes their individuality in any way. You have to figure out why people are going for the ends they are though, and they don't need guns to achieve those ends, they can use bombs, knives, crossbows, etc.

mate, do u not think it's a psychological weight walking down the street that someone could just end u at any moment?

i'll give u that america is caught up in a fervour, but it doesn't have any of the sort of immediacy n-azi germany in war-torn europe would have had. u lot don't really have anything u need to protect urselves from, nobody's going to be a weak link or insurrectionist really in anything, in like any troubled time, nobody needs to force anything on anyone. u lot are just nuts sitting on top of the world tbh lol

and i mean who are u going to liberate ur country from now? americans? ur father, ur brother, ur cousin? that's what i'm saying. is there any need for that little stipulation u just highlighted? english are gone mate, u guys celebrated that like a few days ago

And I don't think guns represent individuality, I think they're merely means to an end, a tool yes in the hands of an individual, but not something that shapes their individuality in any way. You have to figure out why people are going for the ends they are though, and they don't need guns to achieve those ends, they can use bombs, knives, crossbows, etc.

I think it's odd you assume that the US isn't itself grasped by a certain nationalistic fervor. Patriotism is rampant and has escalated to the point of "we can do no wrong." Support the troops and cops no matter what they do.

I think it's also ridiculous to look back at history as though singular events isolated in time are somehow not possible in the US. The greatest threat to a people and also to a government is not from without but always from within. The colonies themselves were during the revolution fighting against their own TYRANNICAL government(the British) in order to establish a new nation.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Notice it talks about a militia, essentially an army, but talks about the rights of the people, not of the militia. There's a reason for that, we had just fought against what was essentially our OWN army being that we were at that point a British colony. The founding fathers recognized the necessity of an armed populace in overthrowing an undesirable government.

caesar lol

n-azi germany*

fck u censor

i also think it's mostly ridiculous to be paranoid of government tyranny tbh. police and soldiers and whatever, they're still ur countrymen and brothers and fathers and cousins and friends and whatever.

is there any real precedent for something like this happening? i mean maybe germany or whatever, but wasn't that all a national fervour? or when whatshisname cross the rubicon, but that's fcking ancient rome