this thread was locked some time ago but we never actually had a discussion on it. from past chatbox encounters, a lot of people were interested in it.
greetings epicmafia community,
I think we need a good discussion on trans-people in sports.
Recently, I was reading the news that a trans-girl had been allowed to play on the girls track team. However, this person began to break many previously held records established by other women.
Personally, I believe this is extremely unfair to other people born as girls - objectively, the male human body is stronger and faster than that of a female on average.
please discuss
should trans-people be allowed to play on sports teams?
I mean I could spend an hour going back and forth with you while you exhaust the list of logical fallacies and get nowhere because you're not actually interested in the topic and only in vomiting forth words in an attempt to create a virtual dunce cap for me, or I can ask why you're doing this
and hey I get it, males are generally better at certain physical tasks. i mean, that's not the rule, but i guess mediocre generalizations are good enough if you're too stupid to come up with a more accurate measurement
certain races of people are more likely to commit crimes. i mean, it's actually because of poverty, but that's too hard to measure, so let's just go by skin color instead
oh those two things are different aren't they, because you hold different positions on both therefor they can't be equatable because that would conflict with your beliefs
why are the sexes separated? -> hormonal and biological differences
there are hormonal and biological differences within a single sex -> conflict of reason -> new premise: separate base on hormonal and biological differences
see, when you do something for a reason, it makes more sense for what you do to be the reason than some vaguer concept outside of the reason. it isn't because of sex, it's because of these characteristics generally associated with sex, although herein lies the problem where high testosterone women outperform low testosterone women and low testosterone men underperform high testosterone men and ultimately the problem presents itself yet again because you never solved it in the first place
now my advice on proceeding: don't reply instantly, read the post and try really hard to think what those strings of words mean
I didn't confuse anything. You've been on a tear trying to make me look silly lately ever since I said that you're arrogant, and it's disappointing to witness. You know you don't have a point. I know you don't have a point. Stop being a dickwad.
1. cherrypicked: i didnt take a line out of your post, i responded to your whole post 2. hypothetical: requires a hypothetical 3. contradiction: unless having an open mind is a contradiction, i see no such thing. although i wouldnt be surprised if you think accepting that you didn't consider everything at first thought would be contradictory and not just the intelligent thing to do
additionally, you probably thought your post was a refutation. unfortunately, nothing was refuted, my point stands and you can't really argue otherwise because your frail ego would crumble under the realization you dont know everything
deletedover 8 years
i only just spotted what the poll question was there. trans-people or whatever should definitely be accommodated
Your cherrypicked hypothetical doesn't hold up well trying to back me into a contradiction. It was obvious what you were doing from the devito post, I just memed in hopes you would, knowing how silly your play was, abandon it and meme back
specifically, hormone blockers, since its testosterone that makes you stronger and not estrogen that makes you weaker. you'll still have any muscle mass gained although it'll be harder to maintain and fall off over time as usual. that wont change everything though no
should females with higher levels of testosterone be banned from sports
Sports are inherently physical. Biological. There is a reason men's and women's sports are separated. Their bodies are different. Sports should not take identification into account because that doesn't change the hardware that determines one's athletic ability. And I'm not sure (can anyone be? Need sources) that hormones completely take away that advantage. You can usually tell if someone is trans even if they're on hormones. There really isn't much of a defense for allowing it other than silly feelings stuff
i think people who care about physical feats fail to realize these records are universally broken because at this level where everyone trains their whole lives, the difference comes down to genetics. some people will naturally have a higher capacity for certain feats and some won't
i think we've proven already through animal breeding and things like horse racing that it all comes down to genetics and whoever wins or loses isn't determined by any skill or accomplishment over the competition who trains just as if not harder but simply can't surmount physical limitations
so really who cares its not like records are legit anyway
deletedover 8 years
what about, uh, natural born women's right to be in sports teams? to be mvps?
