over 8 years

Hey folks, it's BearGuru here. I wanted to say some things to get them off of my chest. This does not in any way display the mod team's opinions as a whole, it is merely my opinion. Soon after I post this I will move the current active threads to the Mod Forums.

Regarding Sammie:

  • SHE is a human being as well, and everything you say that is offensive to transgendered people will be offensive to her.

  • Most of what is on the forums right now on this matter is sh!tposting, which is fine-- until it isn't. I fear we are approaching the line where it becomes hurtful, harmful, and damaging to not only Sammie but the community.

  • Epic Mafia moderators are not divine entities. So she is a mod. So what? So she gets to do reports and benefit the community. It helps with cheating investigations. Her being a moderator is irrelevent, she is mostly going to do the same thing she did as a role mod.

  • That being said, I do not think Sammie is going to be a good moderator for epicmafia in the long run. She is not a team player, but that is just my observation.

Regarding the Mod Team:

  • You have tried everything. You moved a thread that was hurtful to the mod forums, which was the correct call. When the community went into uproar, you just had to deal with it. The alternative was to let the damaging thread go on unmoderated, which is not doing your job.

  • Cody is a brand new admin. He is getting used to the job and for the community to surge against his decisions this early has to be demotivating. This site cannot survive if everybody in power is yelled at, called a child, and targeted.

Regarding me:

  • What I did earlier was crappy. I made hurtful comments that have affected people and really hurt them. I am sorry for what I did, and if that means stepping down as a Role Moderator I will do that.

  • Again, this is not the statement of me as a moderator, it is a statement from me as a person.

Regarding the Site:

  • Lucid owns the site. If anything needs to be done, you message him. If you disagree with something strongly enough, you message him. Do not take to the forums and spew publicly hurtful comments because all it does is make you look immature and hurt the person who is being targeted.

  • If you destroy anybody who comes into power, it will ruin the site. Very few people actually want to moderate the site, and that number is getting smaller every time something like this happens. Please think twice about whatever you are posting.

There you have it. I will be moving the other threads to mod forums shortly. Please engage in CIVIL discussion here. Have a good one.

Bear

over 8 years

Arcbell says

Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.


i'm sorry but like i've said pedophilia's the one thing that manages to get under my skin and i haven't seen much to dissuade me from seeing sammie as that
over 8 years

Solace says

We already responded to the sammie/arc situation. Any following responses would be redundant.


See that's how you admin. Do whatever you want and not give a what they respond to you with.
over 8 years

Cody says


annabelle says

I don't think these individuals's "qualifications" really are any different from most users considering what exactly the mod team needed which is someone who can carry out reports competently and has read the rules and knows how to play well with others. this is a safety thing for both these people not a social thing, obviously people are uncomfortable when they feel their safety is being threatened and you're completely disregarding that especially when you say things like "it's just the less than 20 vocal people that are upset about this" when clearly it's not. i think 5 threads and counting of countless pages of most of the extremely active user base should be able to tell you that.


I believe that the actual number of unique users who have expressed a dissenting opinion on this matter is no more than 20-30. Numbers aside, I've already addressed the safety issue and all I ask at this point is for a little bit of trust in me and my ability to make decisions. If it turns out that my decisions yesterday were for the worse, then I will react, apologize, and admit my mistake, but while the two people that I have just recently appointed to be moderators perform their job well, I would appreciate it if the community were to stop antagonizing them.


Hi,

the forums has always and will always be run by a rabid minority
over 8 years
I would appreciate if you step down as admin and i to replace you because you clearly do not understand what you are doing.
over 8 years
I mean at least when Arcbell does something he turns around and uses it to advance his position on the site.
over 8 years
We already responded to the sammie/arc situation. Any following responses would be redundant.
over 8 years
20-30 out of 21-31 forum users
over 8 years

annabelle says

I don't think these individuals's "qualifications" really are any different from most users considering what exactly the mod team needed which is someone who can carry out reports competently and has read the rules and knows how to play well with others. this is a safety thing for both these people not a social thing, obviously people are uncomfortable when they feel their safety is being threatened and you're completely disregarding that especially when you say things like "it's just the less than 20 vocal people that are upset about this" when clearly it's not. i think 5 threads and counting of countless pages of most of the extremely active user base should be able to tell you that.


I believe that the actual number of unique users who have expressed a dissenting opinion on this matter is no more than 20-30. Numbers aside, I've already addressed the safety issue and all I ask at this point is for a little bit of trust in me and my ability to make decisions. If it turns out that my decisions yesterday were for the worse, then I will react, apologize, and admit my mistake, but while the two people that I have just recently appointed to be moderators perform their job well, I would appreciate it if the community were to stop antagonizing them.
over 8 years

Arcbell says

Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.


the nerve of someone as deceitful and ruthless as you to say you're disappointed in anyone for anything

lol.
over 8 years

annabelle says

i don't think this is a social ramifications thing here, they are not being called into question simply because people don't like them but because of their history.


I strongly believe in giving people who have shown genuine remorse for their mistakes an actionable opportunity to atone for their mistakes and give back to the community that they have wronged.


annabelle says

you said you are still working on software for the site along with solace, so why does that need to be replaced, was roadman working on software stuff as well? and on top of that why exactly does the site need more coding for modding it's a java script site, pls.


Having someone take over active development of the features that I was working on that doesn't have to worry about admin problems is useful to me.
over 8 years

Arcbell says

Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.


Remember when you gave ABC a mod account?
over 8 years

Solace says


leo says


jack says

how about solace letting cody take the fall for all this in his first like 3 days as admin? what a stand up guy


Again, Bearguru said Solace wanted Cody to "stand up".

All while the forums were freaking out.


i said no such thing!


then whatcha been up to ¿
over 8 years

Solace says


leo says


jack says

how about solace letting cody take the fall for all this in his first like 3 days as admin? what a stand up guy


Again, Bearguru said Solace wanted Cody to "stand up".

All while the forums were freaking out.


i said no such thing!


Bearguru's slandering you, then. Check the first page.
deletedover 8 years

Arcbell says

Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.


could we get some specific names
over 8 years
You lost me when you said it's a javascript site.
over 8 years

Arcbell says

Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.


Like that time you called me friend then discarded me like a trash :cry:

No hard feelings but.. Look at yourself when you talk about betrayal.
over 8 years

leo says


jack says

how about solace letting cody take the fall for all this in his first like 3 days as admin? what a stand up guy


Again, Bearguru said Solace wanted Cody to "stand up".

All while the forums were freaking out.


i said no such thing!
over 8 years
Man this cody bashing has got me really depressed. I'm kinda disappointed in a lot of you who I'd thought were either a) my friends or b) above treating sammie as sub human.

I know you're not gonna stop because of this post I'd just like to make it known that I feel betrayed by a number of you.
deletedover 8 years
"I didn't consider the social ramifications"


i don't think this is a social ramifications thing here, they are not being called into question simply because people don't like them but because of their history. you said you are still working on software for the site along with solace, so why does that need to be replaced, was roadman working on software stuff as well? and on top of that why exactly does the site need more coding for modding it's a java script site, pls. I don't think these individuals's "qualifications" really are any different from most users considering what exactly the mod team needed which is someone who can carry out reports competently and has read the rules and knows how to play well with others. this is a safety thing for both these people not a social thing, obviously people are uncomfortable when they feel their safety is being threatened and you're completely disregarding that especially when you say things like "it's just the less than 20 vocal people that are upset about this" when clearly it's not. i think 5 threads and counting of countless pages of most of the extremely active user base should be able to tell you that.
over 8 years

xxerox says

My gramar is not of your concern. If i don't know the words its because i am not a native speaker. And besides, an admin should show with his actions, not grammar.


your actions certainly are revealing!
over 8 years
My gramar is not of your concern. If i don't know the words its because i am not a native speaker. And besides, an admin should show with his actions, not grammar.
deletedover 8 years
Their grammar is perfect. It's what this website needs.
deletedover 8 years
please use the same grammar you use to type xxerox
deletedover 8 years

xxerox says

You people seriously make me cry. . . especially Cody


can you make a vocaroo telling us how much you hate cody
over 8 years
You people seriously make me cry. . . especially Cody