Epicmafia

assisted suicide

almost 9 years

joking about things other people joke about is offensive, so this is now a serious discussion about euthanasia which it was going to be anyway. do you support or oppose it

benefits

when people think about suicide seriously and persistently, they can get a medical diagnosis to see if this is really something that might be an option or if there are alternatives
slight cut to overpopulation
fewer gruesome failed suicides
stop suffering from incurable disease and compounding medical bills that only exist to prolong one's agony

cons

doctor moral dilemma
incredibly disturbed medical personnel might have a profit motive, which would mean cost would have to be removed

you can tell where i stand

you favor

assisted suicide

unassisted suicide

outlaw suicide

outlaw suicide "ironically"

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cub says

Kaworu says

so what if they joke about suicide. i do it because i actually want to kill myself and i have no way of expressing that to strangers on the internet without laughing about it.

im diagnosed with depression and severe society anxiety, but i don't make a point to joke as much about something i really think about doing as people here tend to. most of the reason i support assisted suicide is because im pretty certain i would take advantage of it, being that the fear of failure outweighs fear of death. fear of failure not just in this action but every action, which i'm not quite sure you can grasp.

you joke about doing macabre things to alleviate your own issues. i talk about them

so how about a discussion, those who want to participate may and those who don't may choose not to

alright that's fine. i understand now

also?? there's a difference between joking about wanting to kill yourself and joking about other people wanting to kill themselves?? please stop being bitter and twisting my words. thanks.

cub

almost 9 years

blave says

there should be an age requirement imo

the standard is typically that you must be an adult and you must be diagnosed with a terminal or severe chronic illness. it takes a pretty convincing reason to qualify even if euthanasia is legalized, so i wouldn't worry too much about abuse. although that does remind me i need to add an unlikely moral con with greed

Gio

almost 9 years

is this legal for people under 18

bdog1321

almost 9 years

cub says

bdog1321 says

cub says

baseless assumptions

You're better than this I hope. Please stop

i don't see what's wrong with the discussion then since "it's wrong" doesn't really satisfy any standard

I don't really see any discussion, just thinly veiled inappropriate trolling. Stop

cub

almost 9 years

Kaworu says

so what if they joke about suicide. i do it because i actually want to kill myself and i have no way of expressing that to strangers on the internet without laughing about it.

im diagnosed with depression and severe society anxiety, but i don't make a point to joke as much about something i really think about doing as people here tend to. most of the reason i support assisted suicide is because im pretty certain i would take advantage of it, being that the fear of failure outweighs fear of death. fear of failure not just in this action but every action, which i'm not quite sure you can grasp.

you joke about doing macabre things to alleviate your own issues. i talk about them

so how about a discussion, those who want to participate may and those who don't may choose not to

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how old are you, sonrio?

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Sonrio says

Is this really a thing i need answers fast

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

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there should be an age requirement imo

Sonrio

almost 9 years

Is this really a thing i need answers fast

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anyway this isn't what this topic is about so. sorry.

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i like the idea of being able to choose how/when i die

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so what if they joke about suicide. i do it because i actually want to kill myself and i have no way of expressing that to strangers on the internet without laughing about it.

cub

almost 9 years

you're going to make me build a document of the countless times epicmafia users, im sure yourself included, have joked about suicide, aren't you?

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im just questioning why you think it's appropriate to joke about people who do have depression and get suicidal thoughts and invalidate them by saying theyre too young or inexperienced to have it. or maybe i'm just missing out on your wonderful sense of humor

cub

almost 9 years

Herredy says

However, I have read your topic and took this very seriously.
Saying the benefits of assisted suicide will mean

epicmafia will have no users left

is encompassing assisted suicide from a non-terminal illness, which I am firmly against.

Perhaps you should be more acute with your wording?

whether you support assisted suicide explicitly for terminal illnesses or persistent (i.e. chronic) illnesses is part of the debate. that item however was what we on the internet might call a joke.

according to the lobby poll, bebop should self delete. are you taking that seriously?

cub

almost 9 years

i was expecting this to be the tamest "controversial" topic being this is a website full of people who constantly joke about needless emotional suicide as opposed to legitimate medical reasons

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cub says

Herredy says

Many people suicide because they do not receive the help they need.

I would favour assisted suicide as long as it is euthanasia and they are terminally ill.

I would not favour assisted suicide if it is for someone who could be cured.

Remember, doctors don't kill people. They help people in the best way possible. Death is not a cure for those that are not terminally ill (aka, I do not believe chronic depression is a terminal illness).

euthanasia is assisted suicide. "helping" someone shoot themselves is not assisted suicide, it's closer to manslaughter or outright homicide. so if you think that's what we're talking about, no, that's not what anyone talks about. that will always be illegal.

i think you, along with the others who downvoted this topic, failed to realize the point of a debate is to build a platform. you don't have to pick between "yes, always support" and "no, never support." refer to my last post

My support of euthanasia is in regards to assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

However, I have read your topic and took this very seriously.
Saying the benefits of assisted suicide will mean

epicmafia will have no users left

is encompassing assisted suicide from a non-terminal illness, which I am firmly against.

Perhaps you should be more acute with your wording?

cub

almost 9 years

bdog1321 says

cub says

baseless assumptions

You're better than this I hope. Please stop

i don't see what's wrong with the discussion then since "it's wrong" doesn't really satisfy any standard

cub

almost 9 years

Kaworu says

wtf is ironic depression. "dont know what chronic depression really is" ok

word play

bdog1321

almost 9 years

cub says

baseless assumptions

You're better than this I hope. Please stop

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wtf is ironic depression. "dont know what chronic depression really is" ok

cub

almost 9 years

Herredy says

Many people suicide because they do not receive the help they need.

I would favour assisted suicide as long as it is euthanasia and they are terminally ill.

I would not favour assisted suicide if it is for someone who could be cured.

Remember, doctors don't kill people. They help people in the best way possible. Death is not a cure for those that are not terminally ill (aka, I do not believe chronic depression is a terminal illness).

euthanasia is assisted suicide. "helping" someone shoot themselves is not assisted suicide, it's closer to manslaughter or outright homicide. so if you think that's what we're talking about, no, that's not what anyone talks about. that will always be illegal.

i think you, along with the others who downvoted this topic, failed to realize the point of a debate is to build a platform. you don't have to pick between "yes, always support" and "no, never support." refer to my last post

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Many people suicide because they do not receive the help they need.

I would favour assisted suicide as long as it is euthanasia and they are terminally ill.

I would not favour assisted suicide if it is for someone who could be cured.

Remember, doctors don't kill people. They help people in the best way possible. Death is not a cure for those that are not terminally ill (aka, I do not believe chronic depression is a terminal illness).

cub

almost 9 years

bdog1321 says

......| <---the line.................foxie

Psy420 says

awful thread

good, you don't find capital punishment or torture outrageous but when it comes to suicide you get uncomfortable because people you know probably talk about it as a

Floor who sucks at friendships says

call for help

and you probably have as well. you probably think you or someone you know is suffering from chronic depression and it's a "serious" topic (although talking about how depressed you are and wanting to die isn't taboo, because logic) even though you're likely between your teens and twenties and don't know what chronic depression really is

the opening post was, like all of my opening posts, a joke, but people who joke about how much they want to die on the daily seem to take offense when someone else jokes about it

cub

almost 9 years

Jimbei says

Cons:
-People with low self worth may feel pressured into doing it
-They miss their chance of possibly getting better in the future

This is just throwing out some debate thoughts, I'm too tired to form some actual thoughts but I just hope not to be offensive, these are legitimate concerns and thoughts on the matter that Cub should have been posting

assisted suicide, when legalized, is still generally restricted to medical reasons (i.e. incurable diseases and mental illnesses like real chronic depression). those who would generally have a shot at a better future are generally not going to qualify because those are the people who can't prove they have any medical reason, which are also the kinds of people who would talk about it but never do it in the real world and if making it easier facilitated that they'd still get turned down at the door for the same reason so the barrier is still there

i didnt want to post everything because that takes away from the discussion but i forgot incurable disease in op