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jill stein

almost 9 years

so basically bernie is going to the convention to make hillary agree to adopt some policies, which is like giving a hungry fat guy a donut if he agrees not to eat it.

that means your black and white choices are richest guy to go bankrupt four times and satan

now, if we elected jill stein, the benefits are just too good to be true:

  1. shatter the two party system, and green is the most fitting color because it completes the three additive primaries

  2. get most people to stop b****ing about voting for women in future elections because v*gina

  3. basically the same policies as bernie sanders, so basically bernie sanders

  4. an actual doctor none of that dr seuss bullsh*t

vote'
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green party
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red party
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blue party
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What's this about Golbolco? I'm still on a trail through that link Cub posted a while back on health care.
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DrPeePee says

I wouldn't say this is an argument, more of a debate or a discussion of two different political ideologies that we have, I haven't really felt personally attacked once tbh


Croned probably doesn't adopt this mindset

Golbolco defended my reason for supporting Jill Stein even though she's much like Bernie Sanders on page 1, not because she agrees with Jill Stein but because she knew the actual reason.

even if we don't agree on the truth, we still try to find it
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DrPeePee says


cub says

real tax tiers don't use a logarithm, they're much more balanced such that smaller businesses pay a smaller % and larger businesses pay a larger %, which completely helps small businesses


Or you can have a flat tax that treats everyone fairly, or even abolish taxes on businesses since that's like taxing the people twice (once on their income which is reported in owning a business and once on your business)


Let's say we have a teeny tiny Sims government that needs to make $1,000 in taxes to stay afloat because it spends almost nothing (libertarian wet dream). It has 100 people, 1 big business making $4,000, and 1 small business making $2,000. How do we get it?

1. Tax every individual $10

2. Tax the small business $200, the big business $400, and every individual $4

3. Tax the small business $200, the big business $600, and every indiidual $2
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Look at that rare sight: Two people agreed on something, even if Golbolco didn't realize it at first. I know it's a foreign concept to you cub, but you'll get used to it.

Now where's your statement on Jill Stein's electability?
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I wouldn't say this is an argument, more of a debate or a discussion of two different political ideologies that we have, I haven't really felt personally attacked once tbh
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funny you should mention golbolco


Golbolco says


The says

As much fun as it is to think in hypotheticals, neither Sanders nor Stein can win at this point and discussion about electing one of them is pointless. And if we're talking about shattering the third party system, Gary Johnson is the only one even remotely close to that.


The question for the Third Parties is "is the goal to win or to bring national attention to our party?" For example, many Libertarians always chicken out every election cycle when it comes to voting for the party because they don't want to "waste their vote." However, Gary Johnson is polling at 10% at the moment, and if he gets higher than 5% of the vote in the general election then in 2020 the Libertarians will receive the same federal funding that the other two parties receive. If he starts polling at 15% then he'll be included in the national debates.

There's more ways than winning to influence and change the political system.

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cub says

ill admit it was unfair to call you low information before, but now it's just accurate.

also id like to summon drpeepee for another response on flat tax


Why exactly are you trying to bring me into yours and DrPeePee's argument? You've completely ignored Golbolco's fact check on Jill Stein's past polls and election results

Golbolco says

Polling is a lot different than the actual vote, by the way. Jill Stein was polling at 3% in 2012 according to CNN but got 0.36% of the popular vote. Gary Johnson got between 4-5% steadily in 2012 and 1% of the popular vote.


So if you really think because I'm choosing not to waste my time discussing the policies of someone who can't win that I'm automatically uninformed, so be it. Have fun in fantasy land.
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cub says

real tax tiers don't use a logarithm, they're much more balanced such that smaller businesses pay a smaller % and larger businesses pay a larger %, which completely helps small businesses


Or you can have a flat tax that treats everyone fairly, or even abolish taxes on businesses since that's like taxing the people twice (once on their income which is reported in owning a business and once on your business)
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real tax tiers don't use a logarithm, they're much more balanced such that smaller businesses pay a smaller % and larger businesses pay a larger %, which completely helps small businesses

a flat tax requires smaller businesses to compensate for the loss of revenue from the top, taxing them higher
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let me add another example

flat 10%
bigger business: $10,000 - $1,000
big business: $1,000 - $100
small business: $100 - $10

10%*log(total/50)
bigger business: $10,000 - $2,300
big business: $1,000 - $130
small business: $100 - $3
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cub says

so small business suffers more under a flat tax, but because you'll cut other things therefor ... ?

flat 10%
big business: $1,000 - $100
small business: $100 - $10

now tiers can work differently so ill just use a logarithm for scale
10%*log(total/10)
big business: $1,000 - $200
small business: $100 - $10


If a flat tax already causes someone to pay more in taxes, why readjust it so they again have to pay more?
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ill admit it was unfair to call you low information before, but now it's just accurate.

also id like to summon drpeepee for another response on flat tax
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-> point

-> your head
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cub says

nobody else is going to disagree with me on the definition of a low information voter

im not sure how a cat scan works, let me look it up
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cat
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scan


Don't worry, I've got you: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cat-scan
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nobody else is going to disagree with me on the definition of a low information voter

im not sure how a cat scan works, let me look it up
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cat
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/scan
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http://www.dictionary.com/browse/information

Maybe in your world it does.

I don't waste my time discussing the policy of someone who is in no position to get elected. It's just not fruitful.
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if you arent aware, information refers to policy
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The says

Calling me a "low information voter" ... I'm here to discuss why the only relevant people are Hillary, Trump, and Gary, not to discuss policy.

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so small business suffers more under a flat tax, but because you'll cut other things therefor ... ?

flat 10%
big business: $1,000 - $100
small business: $100 - $10

now tiers can work differently so ill just use a logarithm for scale
10%*log(total/10)
big business: $1,000 - $200
small business: $100 - $10
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Calling me a "low information voter" as your initial response to me saying that Jill will certainly not win is a personal attack.

And I'm here to discuss why the only relevant people are Hillary, Trump, and Gary, not to discuss policy. But since all you want to talk about is policy, I'll leave.
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cub says

i dont see a personal attack, i see drpeepee taking a while to tell me how flat taxes benefit small business and croned not even touching on any of these issues while telling me im the uninformed one because of a typo


Flat taxes adjust proportionately. Listen taxes on small business are such a burden to them. But the government won't need as much money to fund it when you start cutting programs and limiting what it does
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i dont see a personal attack, i see drpeepee taking a while to tell me how flat taxes benefit small business and croned not even touching on any of these issues while telling me im the uninformed one because of a typo

if you really want to stick it to me and prove me wrong, you can join in the policy discussion.
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Nah, I'm done. Cub doesn't want a discussion. She made that perfectly clear.
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Golbolco says

This topic is now a Croned-Cub lover's quarrel. Get the popcorn.


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This topic is now a Croned-Cub lover's quarrel. Get the popcorn.