Epicmafia

What's the point of an appeal?

over 8 years

I'm just trying to understand the system itself. I'm sure we can all agree that a method for double checking reports is a good thing. Yet it's far too easy to question the actual validity of the system itself when (as will be discussed) the system is highly subjective to an unpunishable abuse of moderation power.

A recent example (leaving names out to protect privacy) would be where a user received a violation and it was upheld through an appeal. The user in question then threw a bitchfit on the forum, quite clearly for the purpose of causing drama (as seen by the way they tried to publicize the issue, as well as presenting the issue in a manner that was not even the slightest way impartial, and threatening to leave the website), where a third mod stepped in and also confirmed that they would have handed out a vio as well. Finally, a fourth unnamed mod (who is quite slow, worthless, albeit somewhat brotherly) literally claimed to: 1. not read the game, 2. not read any of the discussion, 3. read ONLY the bitchfitter's posts, step in and singlehandedly overturn the ruling upheld by three separate mods on three separate occasions.

The aforementioned incident begs the question: what is the point of the appeals system? Why have this system itself in place when:
1. Anyone literally needs a single mod on their side to get an overturned ruling, regardless of how many mods support/oppose it.
2. There is no enforcement mechanism to prevent the aforementioned abuse of mod power (among other abuses).
3. The aforementioned abuse clearly and directly undermines the validity of the appeals system itself, and also shows a lack of uniformed enforcement of the rules.
4. Let's not forget that the legitimacy of the mods is directly given from the system which they frequently undermine.
5. How/why are we supposed to take the mods, the system, and the rules seriously if its authority figures undermine the source of their authority?

Let's be clear - this isn't a question about whether or not the ruling was correct or incorrect. This is a question about whether or not this type of mod abuse practice is acceptable, as well as questioning the point of the appeals system in the first place. What's the point of having a supreme court when a single dissenting justice can singlehandedly overturn the entire system's decision with no reviewing or punishment mechanism?

Should we have maybe another system where mods can get together and review cases that are very polarizing? Absolutely. However the current situation between the community and the mods can be described as strained, at best. These types of incidents need to be dealt with both systematically and transparently, or it just makes the mods and their rules enforcement a bigger joke than it already is (if that's even possible).

W A L R U S

deletedover 8 years

WildWalrus says

Eedis says

WildWalrus says

I DISAGREE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MODS BE VERY HELPFUL. HONESTLY I'VE ONLY RAN INTO ONE MOD THAT HAS SHOWN CONSISTENTLY IRREDEEMABLE QUALITIES AND A CONSISTENT LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO CREATE A RATIONAL, FORWARD THOUGHT THAT CAN BE OUTWARDLY EXPLAINED.

ONE WOULD ASSUME (INCORRECTLY IN THIS CASE) THAT A REQUIREMENT TO BE MOD IS TO HAVE BASIC READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS, AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY READ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Then don't use this site?

W H Y ? ALL I NEED TO DO IS BECOME FRIENDS WITH ONE MOD AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.

you're almost there

Eedis

over 8 years

WildWalrus says

W H Y ? ALL I NEED TO DO IS BECOME FRIENDS WITH ONE MOD AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.

Or you could just play the game and ignore the children on this site?

WildWalrus

over 8 years

Eedis says

WildWalrus says

I DISAGREE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MODS BE VERY HELPFUL. HONESTLY I'VE ONLY RAN INTO ONE MOD THAT HAS SHOWN CONSISTENTLY IRREDEEMABLE QUALITIES AND A CONSISTENT LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO CREATE A RATIONAL, FORWARD THOUGHT THAT CAN BE OUTWARDLY EXPLAINED.

ONE WOULD ASSUME (INCORRECTLY IN THIS CASE) THAT A REQUIREMENT TO BE MOD IS TO HAVE BASIC READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS, AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY READ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Then don't use this site?

W H Y ? ALL I NEED TO DO IS BECOME FRIENDS WITH ONE MOD AND I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT.

Eedis

over 8 years

WildWalrus says

I DISAGREE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MODS BE VERY HELPFUL. HONESTLY I'VE ONLY RAN INTO ONE MOD THAT HAS SHOWN CONSISTENTLY IRREDEEMABLE QUALITIES AND A CONSISTENT LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO CREATE A RATIONAL, FORWARD THOUGHT THAT CAN BE OUTWARDLY EXPLAINED.

ONE WOULD ASSUME (INCORRECTLY IN THIS CASE) THAT A REQUIREMENT TO BE MOD IS TO HAVE BASIC READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS, AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY READ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Then don't use this site?

WildWalrus

over 8 years

Eedis says

I think we should all just agree that this site is ran by dictators and there's nothing we can do about it. So either we shut out mouths and play the game, or not come back and stop playing the game.

I DISAGREE. I'VE HAD SEVERAL MODS BE VERY HELPFUL. HONESTLY I'VE ONLY RAN INTO ONE MOD THAT HAS SHOWN CONSISTENTLY IRREDEEMABLE QUALITIES AND A CONSISTENT LACK OF ANY ABILITY TO CREATE A RATIONAL, FORWARD THOUGHT THAT CAN BE OUTWARDLY EXPLAINED.

ONE WOULD ASSUME (INCORRECTLY IN THIS CASE) THAT A REQUIREMENT TO BE MOD IS TO HAVE BASIC READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS, AND THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY READ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Eedis

over 8 years

I think we should all just agree that this site is ran by dictators and there's nothing we can do about it. So either we shut out mouths and play the game, or not come back and stop playing the game.

WildWalrus

over 8 years

Slowbro says

here's my answer: benjamin shouldn't have gotten an OGI vio and now he doesn't have one

WELL IF YOU ACTUALLY TOOK TIME TO READ THE OP (WHICH SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN, SINCE YOU CONSISTENTLY ADMIT TO NOT READING ANYTHING), YOU'D SEE THAT THE OP WAS SPECIFICALLY STATING THAT IT WAS NOT DISCUSSING WHETHER OR NOT THE RULING WAS CORRECT/INCORRECT.

Slowbro says

Ttelling someone "do not do this rulebreaking behavior" is not OGI

YOU'D MIGHT HAVE A POINT IF THE BEHAVIOR WAS EITHER RULE BREAKING (CONFIRMED NOT BY SEVERAL MODS) OR THE TELLING WAS NOT VIA AN OUTSIDE GAME MECHANIC, SAY THREATENING TO REPORT SOMEONE

Slowbro says

i told the other mods that i was deleting it rather than just doing it without telling anyone

ANOTHER THING ASKED IN THE OP BUT FAILED TO BE ADDRESSED BY YOU (AGAIN). IT'S ALSO IN BOLD LETTERS IN CASE YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE READING.

Slowbro says

i don't care about pomp and circumstance or adhering to a system if it means making the wrong calls

THE EXACT ATTITUDE THE OP IS DISCUSSING.

ALSO BEGS THE QUESTION WHY ARE YOU ALLOWED TO THREATEN TO REPORT SOMEONE IN A GAME, REGARDLESS? IF THEY'RE BREAKING THE RULES, WHY DO YOU FIND IT ACCEPTABLE TO THREATEN THEM WITH A REPORT? IF THEY'RE ACTUALLY BREAKING THE RULES THEN YOU SHOULD REPORT THEM AND LET THE MODS DECIDE. THEN A FINE LINE AND A DIFFERENCE IN HOW THE GAME IS IMPACTED WHEN YOU THREATEN TO REPORT SOMEONE FOR A BEHAVIOR (JUSTIFIED OR NOT) VS. EXPLAINING TO THEM THAT THEIR BEHAVIOR IS UNACCEPTABLE, AND ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

Chaika

over 8 years

What's the point of life?

deletedover 8 years

here's my answer: benjamin shouldn't have gotten an OGI vio and now he doesn't have one

telling someone "do not do this rulebreaking behavior" is not OGI

i told the other mods that i was deleting it rather than just doing it without telling anyone

i don't care about pomp and circumstance or adhering to a system if it means making the wrong calls

also man is pokken fun

WildWalrus

over 8 years

Slowbro says

you sure did type a lot of words for a guy who was making fun of another guy for being salty

WELL THE FIRST THING YOU LEARN ABOUT W A L R U S E S IS THAT THEY LIVE IN S A L T. IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING/ABLE TO ANSWER LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS (THIS IS THE THIRD TIME NOW) THEN YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE AD HOMINEM ATTACKS TO COVER FOR IT - YOU CAN JUST CHOOSE TO NOT PARTICIPATE.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD ASK SOLACE TO EXPLAIN IN ONE LINE WHAT YOU COULDN'T EXPLAIN IN FOURTEEN POSTS (AGAIN).

deletedover 8 years

you sure did type a lot of words for a guy who was making fun of another guy for being salty

WildWalrus

over 8 years

hardeffingworker says

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deletedover 8 years

the answer starts with a c and ends with a k

WildWalrus

over 8 years

hardeffingworker says

i think he just knows the rules better than the other three mods combined which is sort of crazy given how long they've been mods

THEN IF 3 MODS AREN'T COMPETENT ENOUGH TO DO THEIR JOB, WHY AREN'T THEY REMOVED AND THEIR OTHER RULINGS REVERSED?

ALSO STILL DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION OF THE OP.

deletedover 8 years

i think he just knows the rules better than the other three mods combined which is sort of crazy given how long they've been mods

WildWalrus

over 8 years

Slowbro says

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deletedover 8 years

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