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Sandbox Owner Debate

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And this is why we can't have nice things.

who can stop jamie fu­ckin­g vardy lads
over 8 years
Hima will be a very good owner. She's a site mod and can bridge the gap between the site mods and sandbox. She's mostly fair and the only people who complain are those who have been rightly punished by her
deletedover 8 years
Dear lord lucid, not everyone is going to be happy, I voted at least 5 times in different polls for Hima, the people emailing you are people who don't like rules against HC, Harassment, Doxing etc.. pls keep sandbox safe in hima's hands..
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admin says

is either christopherzilla or platypops still interested in ownership?


I can take responsibility if needed
deletedover 8 years
Don't oust Hima ):
over 8 years
Lucid please disregard email it's from Terry who is and has been banned from sandbox many times. He's just bitter.
over 8 years

admin says

got this email:

Greetings.

I suggest you to reconsider your decision on who you gave the Lobby to.

Hima is someone that will turn Sandbox into a circlejerk of people like it has been before, where a small minority is forgiven everything bad they do and people who are not part of their group of friends have no opinion on anything that will go on.

While Golbolco was also not the best option, someone like Platypops or Christopherzilla would be a good option that will represent the interest of the majority of the sandbox players rather than just their small group of friends.

You were probably linked to polls that do not represent the interest of the majority of sandbox, but just said group of friends that have been "in the power" for almost a year now.

Just look at her first action, making everything Hima-like instead of Sandbox.

At the very least, we could try to have some kind of political-party game in which people who want to run for owner explain their ideas and then we can have a more serious vote than whatever these polls were.

Have a good night, I hope you reconsider this choice as me and many people can assure you that this will not result in the best interest of Sandbox, but just of a few people.


majority of sandbox actually picked hima. someone is just being petty, disregard it.
over 8 years
I'm still interested in ownership,
over 8 years
lucid that email is from a banned user who is bitter because he doesnt like me tbh
over 8 years
is either christopherzilla or platypops still interested in ownership?
over 8 years
got this email:

Greetings.

I suggest you to reconsider your decision on who you gave the Lobby to.

Hima is someone that will turn Sandbox into a circlejerk of people like it has been before, where a small minority is forgiven everything bad they do and people who are not part of their group of friends have no opinion on anything that will go on.

While Golbolco was also not the best option, someone like Platypops or Christopherzilla would be a good option that will represent the interest of the majority of the sandbox players rather than just their small group of friends.

You were probably linked to polls that do not represent the interest of the majority of sandbox, but just said group of friends that have been "in the power" for almost a year now.

Just look at her first action, making everything Hima-like instead of Sandbox.

At the very least, we could try to have some kind of political-party game in which people who want to run for owner explain their ideas and then we can have a more serious vote than whatever these polls were.

Have a good night, I hope you reconsider this choice as me and many people can assure you that this will not result in the best interest of Sandbox, but just of a few people.
over 8 years
Uhh, hello?
over 8 years
mod lilin
deletedover 8 years
as i was saying about lucid not giving a redacted lmao
over 8 years

admin says

ok, Hima is the new sandbox lobby owner


KISS ME DADDY
over 8 years
ok, Hima is the new sandbox lobby owner
deletedover 8 years
That feel when you've been playing this since 2010
This feels like the EPICMAFIA version of Presidential Campaigning..
(Clearly an alt)
over 8 years

edge says

Golbolco doesn't know banned users from unbanned users or what they were banned for and one of the first things she did was start to unban users that were rightfully banned. I believe she and her mods shadow delete posts and threads, do shadow unbans I'm not a fan of this administration.


I think I deleted Artic's drunk thread in Suggestions and deleted non-apps from the mod app thread, but not a whole lot else.


Chaika says

My thoughts on Golbolco are certainly not that of dislike, but just that I don't think she's the right option. I think that even the fact that ranked was considered and implemented even if it was for a little amount of time just goes to show that she doesn't know much about the lobby itself and that she's rather new to the whole thing.


I've been playing in this lobby since about a month after this account was made.
over 8 years
Is it too late to pass ownership to Squidgirl
over 8 years
Since lucid will only look at this thread, i'd also recommend he look at some of the thoughts shown in this one as well: https://epicmafia.com/topic/75211

My thoughts on Golbolco are certainly not that of dislike, but just that I don't think she's the right option. I think that even the fact that ranked was considered and implemented even if it was for a little amount of time just goes to show that she doesn't know much about the lobby itself and that she's rather new to the whole thing.
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Golbolco doesn't know banned users from unbanned users or what they were banned for and one of the first things she did was start to unban users that were rightfully banned. I believe she and her mods shadow delete posts and threads, do shadow unbans I'm not a fan of this administration.
over 8 years

PapaJacky says

I think most people can agree that no mods is probably a bad idea and most people can also agree that no oversight is also a bad idea so again, the role of inspector general just ends up as a happy medium for all three sides of the spectrum.


And gol is a perfectly acceptable owner that has been trying to appease the masses here

also she's less abusive than kenny is tbh
over 8 years
if given the choice between a shadowy group of off-worlders ruling with little oversight or interaction with the public except thru the occasional games they play or the dooky posts they make on forums or in the chatbox, you gotta understand the perspective that even a popularity contest can sometimes be better than that. I say sometimes because governments both online and offline are finicky and can change in their effectiveness and abusiveness and all those other traits rather dramatically. for example you can have a democratic election working out and improving the lives of everyone or you can have a popularity contest elect a conservative ninja who uses earth-justu to erect walls around the place.

your argument always comes up when this argument of democracy vs totalitarianism vs anarchy comes about. generally speaking the argument against your POV in favor of an inspector general, for example, is that the inspector general's only job is to observe and report. obviously because EM is coded in spaghetti, they're still a mod and will have actual privileges but I'm under the assumption that they won't be allowed to act on those powers and instead will do their task of simply watching and reporting to everyone else if anything happening in the inner mod circle is dumb or should be otherwise known to everyone else.

so yes, it's a popularity contest, but it's a popularity contest to elect a pretty powerless person. sometimes the inspector general is given actual powers but I don't think the sandbox is ready for that level of power. at this junction it just comes back to whether the idea of a popularity contest for a powerless role in the name of oversight is better than having no oversight or simply no mods.

I think most people can agree that no mods is probably a bad idea and most people can also agree that no oversight is also a bad idea so again, the role of inspector general just ends up as a happy medium for all three sides of the spectrum.
over 8 years

PapaJacky says

a 100% democratically elected mod


i know epicmafia is pretty low, but is it american politics low?

for the uninformed, american politics are a popularity contest. it hasn't worked in our favor yet.
over 8 years

PapaJacky says

long post


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