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Suggestion: Fancy Pants only lobby

almost 9 years

Hey all, I had a serious discussion with moon about setups, the site meta, and how to make comp more appealing. Why not make a separate fancy pants only lobby so new players aren't introduced to a setup that, may be fun but promote theworst behaviours for learning competitve play?

Guns and Hookers is an excellent red heart setup, and more setups like those (BASIC SCUM HUNT) should be played.

To those players who only play Fancy Pants, the Fancy Pants only lobby will still fill, and everyone will still be happy.

Good idea, y/n?

Fancy Pants Lobby?
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N
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Y
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And, if you guys don't think an FP lobby would work, how would we improve main so that new players learn to actually play mafia? Which setups should be used as introductory setups?

Blacklisting the problem setups clearly isn't an option as it has been suggested before and met with strong opposition.
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Classic and Fancy Pants are just a good midway point for people to go to between Sandbox and Comp/Featured Set ups. The basic mechanics are there and to some degree, there is a little scumhunting that needs to be done, but the reads are simple because there is a general low rate of experience.
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They are just as bad as each other.
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I agree but this is a bandaid solution because I know the mods cannot hurt the casual player base by taking out FP and Classic both.

What I don't understand is how anyone can think of FP or Classic as 'fun' when Sandbox exists.
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Fidelis says

CM is stupid and people don't learn anything except terrible habits


Like cc cop d1 just like in fancy pants... OOOPS
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CM is stupid and people don't learn anything except terrible habits
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lmfao. Dear god.
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Also, what would you guys suggest replace FP as a good intro beginner setup?

I think basic scumhunt is a great setup for beginners, but it doesn't teach mafia to CC PRs. Aside from that it's p. much flawless.
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UniversalStudios says


ZeroFurrbone says

Fancy Pants to be only unranked. Thats great sollution actually.

It is not a full one.. But players wont pointfarm on fancy pants.


You'd have to do this will all of the point farms and then you're running into mods pandering to casuals.


Nope. Just FP. Why remove the other pointfarms? Let the sheep aka players learn that there are some other setups other than FP, then in the future we will do something else. One step at a time.
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CM is just as bad as FP
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FT3 and Classic are both much better setups than FP.
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ZeroFurrbone says

Fancy Pants to be only unranked. Thats great sollution actually.

It is not a full one.. But players wont pointfarm on fancy pants.


You'd have to do this will all of the point farms and then you're running into mods pandering to casuals.
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Fidelis says

Then they will point farm CM


I would prefer that. At least there are cop cc d1.
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Then they will point farm CM or FT3 or Fp2.0
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Fancy Pants to be only unranked. Thats great sollution actually.

It is not a full one.. But players wont pointfarm on fancy pants.
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ugh
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UniversalStudios says

The problem is all the zombies will migrate to the pointfarm lobby and your plan wont work.

The solution to the game problem is to ban all the "PRs are clear and lead" setups so that the meta shifts away from blues afk while the PRs control the game. There's no interim solution to this, as long as people can play "blues afk while the PRs control the game" setups they will becauses it's easier to pander to clears than to use deductive reasoning.

We need D1 mylo setups with multiple possibilities for D1 in order to promote a health thought structure and approach to this game. If you try to rely on ML setups we'll keep transitioning back to "blues afk while the PRs control the game" meta which is what broke this site.


Or maybe we actually start forcing ISP vios in red heart games, and force people to play with an iron fist.
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If FP doesnt exist they will play ft3 or cm
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The problem is all the zombies will migrate to the pointfarm lobby and your plan wont work.

The solution to the game problem is to ban all the "PRs are clear and lead" setups so that the meta shifts away from blues afk while the PRs control the game. There's no interim solution to this, as long as people can play "blues afk while the PRs control the game" setups they will becauses it's easier to pander to clears than to use deductive reasoning.

We need D1 mylo setups with multiple possibilities for D1 in order to promote a health thought structure and approach to this game. If you try to rely on ML setups we'll keep transitioning back to "blues afk while the PRs control the game" meta which is what broke this site.
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johnreid says

Ever think that most people enjoy playing fp and have no interest in comp.


Ever think that if Fancy Pants did not exist they would not enjoy nl d1 and random voting d2 and point farming all day ?
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Ever think that most people enjoy playing fp and have no interest in comp.
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If its not that it will be some crappy alternative of Fp/classic
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Classic and FT3 will become the new FP. As they were in 2012.
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I have looked through the setup list multiple times before suggesting this and no other beginner setup comes close to FP in terms of quality.
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Hunt says

We already have custom lobbies


Wait, who is using custom lobies again? You by any chance?

Are you all idiots? He is not talking about different lobbies . He is talking about Fancy Pants being GONE FOREVER FROM MAIN LOBY.