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Finally an unbiased op

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Are predictions allowed? Here are mine.

Broncos/Steelers- Broncos win. If Roethlisberger and Brown are out I think the Broncos win this no question. Broncos defense is one of the best in the league, and the steelers will be missing two key offensive weapons.

DEN 21, PIT 14

Patriots/Chiefs- Patriots win. Chiefs offense didn't look too good against one of the most overrated defenses in the NFL. Clowney was a scratch, Wilfork is old, JJ Watt is hurt. The Texans also have one of the worst offenses in the NFL. The Patriots are getting a bunch of key players back. (Volmer, Hightower, and Edelman) The Patriots are undefeated with Edelman, Gronk, and Amendola, so I think they have the chiefs defense checked. Also, Hightower can shut down any running offense, so the Chiefs are kinda screwed.

NE 35, KC 7

Seahawks/Panthers- The seahawks won in the luckiest way possible (a missed field goal). I don't see them getting lucky a second time, and Cam Newton's Panthers are more than capable of picking apart their defense and shutting down Russell Wilson.

CAR 28, SEA 24

Packers/Cardinals- This is going to be the best game of the weekend IMO. I was sure the Redskins would toss the Packers, but the Packers looked better than ever. Aaron Rodgers looked amazing, and he finally started clicking with his offense. The Cardinals won't be a pushover by any means though. I think the game will go to overtime with the Cardinals winning by a field goal.

ARI 38, GB 35
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Decisively outplayed: no
Outplayed to the extent that the shanked field goal probably would have been irrelevant: yes
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Like, everyone here knows that the Seahawks are "better" than the Vikings, but you are really kidding yourself if you think they decisively outplayed the Vikings in that game.
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Patriots are gonna win it all.
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The Seahawks had like three good plays all game.
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Giga13 says

hey i agree that seattle > minnesota in terms of who is the better team but seattle got handed a second life and it's sad how both the vikings and bengals tossed games that they should have won


I would argue that the Vikings were lucky to have been in the situation to win there:
By every measure of efficiency, Seattle outplayed Minnesota:
Higher yards per play, higher redzone effiency, higher 3rd/4th down efficiency, more yards per punt return. More net yards gained special teams per punts/kick off.

Minnesota got lucky that they lost less field position from failures on 3rd/4th downs since Minnesota's were mostly on 3rd while Seattle's failed 3 4th down attempts (and there is no difference between how teams play 3rd/4th and short so this isn't about 'clutch').

If you replay that game, under those conditions with the way those teams plays, even excluding the missed field goal (which btw wasn't lucky, it was bad performance by Minnesota), Seattles wins that more often then not.

Seattle outplayed Minnesota yesterday and Minnesota was lucky the final score was 10-9. Except the luck Minnesota benefited from wasn't a botched field goal, so isn't as memorable, but from the perspective of sabermetrics, is equally important.

The better team won. That's all I'm saying.
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bet on chiefs to win the superbowl when they were 55:1 odds when they were 3-5

GO CHIEFS NATION

(im from houston... so round 1 was brutal but good)
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hey i agree that seattle > minnesota in terms of who is the better team but seattle got handed a second life and it's sad how both the vikings and bengals tossed games that they should have won
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Seahawks have been consistent, they've only ever lost one game the last 3 seasons by more then 1 score, while many of their wins have been blowouts.

Seahawks obliterated the Vikings in their regular season matchup and then just won their second match-up. They've clearly been the best team in the league the past few seasons and are clearly a better team then the Vikings.

The better team won, that's all I'm saying.
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Trepur349 says

Barely winning a game means that one play (such as a shanked field goal attempt) can alter the game, and means luck did play at least a part in the win.

Blowing out every opponent you face clearly means you're better then said opponent.


None of the things you just said follow from the previous thing.
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tim brady is the best qb of all time
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Barely winning a game means that one play (such as a shanked field goal attempt) can alter the game, and means luck did play at least a part in the win.

Blowing out every opponent you face clearly means you're better then said opponent.
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Cool.
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Margin of victory correlates with future win% more then past win% does.

I <3 sabermetrics.
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Seriously? Margin of victory? Hahahahahaha
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Including postseason records doesn't change anything; they're all very close.
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Peta says

DEN: 37-11, SB loss.
NE: 36-12, SB win.
SEA: 35-13, SB win, SB loss.

Yeah, truly indisputable. Not even close.


Why using only regular season records?
Seattle: 41-14
Denver: 39-13
NE: 39-13

And then when you look at margin of victory on any advanced stat, Seattle really seperates themself from the rest of the leauge.

I'm sorry but Seattle has been the best team in recent years.
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Trepur349 says

I'm just saying that the people who think the Vikings are better then the Seahawks are laughable (Seahawks won both games they played this year, both were in Minnesota and one was a blowout). And the argument Jack used to dispute this claim requires the same ludicrous logic to claiming the Patriots didn't deserve to win the Super Bowl.


Agreed: Interceptions and botched 27-yard field goals are basically the same thing.


Trepur349 says

I also think that it's not really disputable that the best NFL team of the last three years is the Seahawks (Lions fan, so not really biased).


DEN: 37-11, SB loss.
NE: 36-12, SB win.
SEA: 35-13, SB win, SB loss.

Yeah, truly indisputable. Not even close.
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Normally I'd say I couldn't see the vikings beating Green Bay in Green Bay, but that's what they did week 17, so...
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Ohh thats right Minnesota won the North....
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EDIT. if the VIKINGS had lost to the packers it would have been packers vs vikings again. probably a toss up.
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pereking says

so what do you guys think, if the vikings tanked it and lost to the packers week 17 would they still be in the playoffs?


Who would they have played? Washington?

yes
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Can we talk about Blair Walsh?
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so what do you guys think, if the vikings tanked it and lost to the packers week 17 would they still be in the playoffs?
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