Epicmafia

Suggestion:Mod election system

deletedalmost 10 years

We all know mods are been suggesting by the other mods etc

So what about a new system to elect new moderators A new section in the forums where all moderator applications will be posted and on those applications Epicmafia can vote on so its more fair choosing the mod for epicmafia by the players of epicmafia

So its -1 votes or +1 votes with a reason why you downvote or upvote This will highly stop mods suggesting only friends

A mod should be choosed by the players of epicmafia and not the mods themselves

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Democracy

Lets the mods choose by themselves

deletedalmost 10 years

Sinek8 says

Last blister case is one of the most obvious ones, prob caused Wolf to create this topic.

I didn't created the topic because that jonsnow wanted me to create

Togepi

almost 10 years

We put them in a moderator thread and as long as the thread is still there it's forever.

deletedalmost 10 years

how long do you keep the applications? Do you keep them forever or for a few months?

Togepi

almost 10 years

We can't send rejection letters because we keep the moderator applications on file. If you weren't picked as a mod this time does not mean that you cannot be picked as a moderator down the road.

deletedalmost 10 years

Can mods send rejection letters that state why someone wasn't picked? I mean, make an option to opt out of the rejection letter if a user is sensitive or emotional (which validates the rejection anyway since it would be a criticism letter -hopefully-)
Because there were some friends of mine I /honestly/ thought would make good moderators, and instead someone who turned out to be p bad was modded over them.
I know everyone is gonna say "I honestly thought my friend was good enuff!!11!!" But a rejection letter with criticism seems fair imo. Just a suggestion to add.

Togepi

almost 10 years

I wouldn't say anything if I wasn't sincere about it. Thanks, Sinek!

Sinek8

almost 10 years

I lead this conversation to the path of thinking a system which is a good modification to pure democracy. I'm pm'ing you Blister case if you are sincere about learning it.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

Sinek8 says

I dont want to change this topic's main conversation. If you just check reports againist him you will know enough.

https://epicmafia.com/topic/71639

Togepi

almost 10 years

No, we are going to change this topic's main conversation because you lead it down that path. I'll wait patiently because since you say that moderators do not communicate and you have one asking you questions and asking for you input.

Sinek8

almost 10 years

I dont want to change this topic's main conversation. If you just check reports againist him you will know enough.

Togepi

almost 10 years

How is the blister case corrupt?

deletedalmost 10 years

people who are inexperienced in modding need to be given a chance at the very least. how are they supposed to gain experience if they aren't given a chance to prove themselves.

Sinek8

almost 10 years

Last blister case is one of the most obvious ones, prob caused Wolf to create this topic.

Togepi

almost 10 years

The issue is that this is all based on speculation. Where ar the mods corrupt? Which ones have been protecting their friends and where are the links to the reports and decisions showing that?

Sinek8

almost 10 years

Being mod can be more than writing a verdict, but it cant even be that now because they are so corrupt in the current system. May be bronto was a good admin, but sims is not. May be this system works well only when admin is a good person, this means system needs to be fixed to work with every person.

And no, if you get strangers as a mod it does not mean they wont communicate.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

sinek, if mods are corrupt, why don't you name names and tell us which moderators specifically are the corrupt ones? and maybe outline how, as well?

Katie

almost 10 years

Sinek8 says

Yes katie, there are a lot of problems may occur with pure democracy. This topic can be place to find a better solution.

So Katie, you say if we get democracy for mods these can happen:

"being a likeable person =/= good mod" This is happening in mods now. YES SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN HAPPENING NOW AND YOU ARE PROTECTING IT.

"create bias or overly lenient modding from the elected mod towards the players that elected " This is also a current situation. Since mods are selected corruptly, they give biased and overly lenient desicions.

If we go to pure democracy, all bad things happening now 'could' still happen, but surely with lesser amount,, so better. If we can think a better system, it will be much more better.

i do agree that there could be a more beneficial system (as a result of what i've seen in the past, not naming any names but an admin who decided who he wanted modding personally and 90% of the time modded people who hadn't even applied which led to mods who were bored and uninterested but friends with the admin) but i don't really know what that is, i just really don't think that the solution itt is the answer

Togepi

almost 10 years

How is the process of mods being selected corrupted?

Katie

almost 10 years

Sinek8 says

Katie says

also the general community wouldn't have to work alongside the mods that they elected. the strength of the mod team is almost entirely dependent on how well they work together as a team and can communicate with eachother. a mod candidate with outstanding potential will never be able to fulfill that if they don't sit well with the rest of the team, hence why it's more beneficial for the mod team to mod people they can communicate with effectively

What stenght are you talking about? A mods job is anwering questions from people and giving desicions on reports "this is a vio" or "nah this is not". 'Working together' is only happens when they protect a friend of them from being violated, which should not happen.

having been a mod for 11 months under 3 separate admins it was pretty clear that the mod team was most efficient under bronto as admin and the thing that he was best at was definitely communication with the team and also encouraging them to help eachother out where possible. there are always going to be internal issues but they'll never be resolved without communication, it's more than just writing a verdict

Sinek8

almost 10 years

Yes katie, there are a lot of problems may occur with pure democracy. This topic can be place to find a better solution.

So Katie, you say if we get democracy for mods these can happen:

"being a likeable person =/= good mod" This is happening in mods now. YES SOMETHING YOU SAID THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN HAPPENING NOW AND YOU ARE PROTECTING IT.

"create bias or overly lenient modding from the elected mod towards the players that elected " This is also a current situation. Since mods are selected corruptly, they give biased and overly lenient desicions.

If we go to pure democracy, all bad things happening now 'could' still happen, but surely with lesser amount,, so better. If we can think a better system, it will be much more better.

papuito

almost 10 years

deletedalmost 10 years

Katie says

that has been true, although i still feel like a community vote wouldn't fix this problem because instead of being the mods' friend it would be the community's friend and being a likeable person =/= good mod

also, do you think that a community election could create bias or overly lenient modding from the elected mod towards the players that elected them?

I think there should be a viewing of applications and let the community at the very least decide "hey x has a p good resume! Y has been a mod before and the results were terrible..please eliminate y's resume from this. Maybe Z could be good, there are some parts that I don't like ects" Maybe something like that.

Katie

almost 10 years

sammy says

I think both sides can at the very least admit there are some mods that are fair and some that should have never been modded and the only reason their name is up there or ever was up there even once was because they were in the circle and nothing else.

that has been true, although i still feel like a community vote wouldn't fix this problem because instead of being the mods' friend it would be the community's friend and being a likeable person =/= good mod

also, do you think that a community election could create bias or overly lenient modding from the elected mod towards the players that elected them?

Sinek8

almost 10 years

Katie says

also the general community wouldn't have to work alongside the mods that they elected. the strength of the mod team is almost entirely dependent on how well they work together as a team and can communicate with eachother. a mod candidate with outstanding potential will never be able to fulfill that if they don't sit well with the rest of the team, hence why it's more beneficial for the mod team to mod people they can communicate with effectively

What stenght are you talking about? A mods job is anwering questions from people and giving desicions on reports "this is a vio" or "nah this is not". 'Working together' is only happens when they protect a friend of them from being violated, which should not happen.

deletedalmost 10 years

so if I was on the mod team and say I hated one dude who applied but everyone else was neutral/on good terms towards the guy, he's instantly rejected and its fair b/c I'm already a mod and he's just an applicant? This is hypothetical btw but basically in my other post about what I saw in a party game, that's how the convo went.