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Suggestion:Mod election system

deletedalmost 10 years

We all know mods are been suggesting by the other mods etc

So what about a new system to elect new moderators A new section in the forums where all moderator applications will be posted and on those applications Epicmafia can vote on so its more fair choosing the mod for epicmafia by the players of epicmafia

So its -1 votes or +1 votes with a reason why you downvote or upvote This will highly stop mods suggesting only friends

A mod should be choosed by the players of epicmafia and not the mods themselves

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Democracy
57
Democracy
27
Lets the mods choose by themselves
xSoniaNeverMindx
almost 10 years
I'm not gonna read though all this but if it has not been said already

Mods nom 3-5 people to be a new mod with pros/cons of said person

everyone has 1 to vote for a new mod from those people
deletedalmost 10 years

WolfODonnellz says

Braixen!! What about this templattte!!!

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


omfg that template was already said to be good, stop flaunting your template making powers >.>
Kerry
almost 10 years

Braixen says

you know what, wtf are we arguing about. if lucid has the right mentality, why dont we just let him decide and not other mods?? theres a reason why we have to message lucid and sims...


no one is being rude when arguing why they believe an automated system is a bad idea, just giving their opinions. i don't see why you have an issue with this
deletedalmost 10 years
The moderators got unpopular because they started separating themselves from the community. The 'Us vs Them' has only got worse; and that can't all be blamed on the community, at all. A lot of mods have made that worse by themselves.

And the community is more important than the mods; so if the community demands it, the community must be sated.
deletedalmost 10 years
Braixen!! What about this templattte!!!

Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
deletedalmost 10 years
you know what, wtf are we arguing about. if lucid has the right mentality, why dont we just let him decide and not other mods?? theres a reason why we have to message lucid and sims...
deletedalmost 10 years
And suddenly topic locked and a teamspeak link uk :^)
hima
almost 10 years

admin says

because the current system is idiotic


u cant make the system automated, lucid. it wont help at all. moderation will become a popularity contest over a selection based on any form of merit, and considering the people in this community whove been gunning for mod, theres a much smaller selection of good people than you would think.

not to mention that youre going based off the assumption that mod teams are just circlejerks of friends. well, they arent. when i first got modded i knew one person on my team, and this continued for the entire year that i was a mod. i only ever knew a handful of people at any given time. now that ive been remodded, i know a few more people, but i still dont really know most of the people im now working with. i didnt get picked because of a circlejerk, i got picked because my application was good and i did good work as a mod in the past.

is the system flawed? yes, but not so much that its ineffectual. receiving mod applications and giving interviews is a pretty solid way of determining whether someone is fit to mod or not. but if you change it to make it automatic, there wont be any of that. there will just be these random people with mod powers who got chosen for arbitrary or silly reasons, or ultimately because everyone likes them (regardless of whether theyre a good person or a good moderator). its not the systems fault that people dont like the mods. people will always dislike the mods, no matter what they do or how they do it. dont worry about fixing the system, because its fine. instead, worry about fixing your community, which i think is where a much bigger problem lies.

tl;dr dont make it automatic unless u want things with the community to be even worse than they already are
deletedalmost 10 years
"Overthrow" is a bad idea

"Recall" isn't so bad. Calling a community vote of confidence in a certain mod, if X amount of people (say, 20% of the amount of people who voted for that mod originally) votes for a recall.
deletedalmost 10 years
i don't think so, croned. nobody's ever really not going to be heard on here
deletedalmost 10 years
Current template i thought up

Main account:(Whats your main account)

Alternate accounts:(Your alternate accounts)

Why would you be a good mod(explanition why you be a good mod)

What would you do if three poeple gets into a fight with eachother(explaining how you would handle it)

Do you have any prior experience being a mod?

Did you contribute something to the community

Your timezone:

Langauges you speak(sometimes there are games with other langauges but very uncommonly)

Age:(how old are you in real life)

HEY LOOK A TEMPLATE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anna
almost 10 years

mist says

Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.


>we
deletedalmost 10 years
i really like my idea lol. pls implement. this could be the beginning of a new world order
deletedalmost 10 years

Braixen says

But you know, there has to be legitimate reason to overthrow a mod, not just because they got a vio for something that was THEIR fault.

The
almost 10 years

belovedprincess says

because the votes are random. there's no real coordination. see above. ur secondary vote is decided before seeing the actual voting. it might go into thin air. it might land on someone with no chance of ever being voted. the more dynamic a voting system is - as close to real conversation as possible - the better it is


You said that a dynamic voting system would not be feasible in the real world because of the massive number of votes. I don't think you realize the size of the EM community. It would just as impossible.
deletedalmost 10 years

mist says

Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.


Read what I said.
deletedalmost 10 years
Also an overthrow option is a bad idea because like I keep saying any mod who is doing their job correctly is going to receive a lot of hate because that's just the nature of the position. and you know which mods always get the most hate? the most active ones. if you want to cycle through active mods that actually care even faster than we already do than by all means start overthrowing people.
Anna
almost 10 years
Lucid is like the Dad you never want to come back from getting smokes.
deletedalmost 10 years
I have no frands
deletedalmost 10 years
But you know, there has to be legitimate reason to overthrow a mod, not just because they got a vio for something that was THEIR fault.
deletedalmost 10 years
voting needs to be a dialogue
deletedalmost 10 years

mist says

Hey guys, remember how every president & world leader that was elected by popular vote always enjoyed a high approval rate? no? neither do I.


Ignoring the part about comparing EpicMafia mods to world leaders; there actually are plenty of examples of such people.
deletedalmost 10 years
@Mist, and they can satisfy themselves by realizing how stupid they were then vote to overthrow a mod. That's also how basic politics work in some places as well.
Kerry
almost 10 years

mist says

by all means implement your voting system and then become disillusioned when your elected moderator gets complaints threads and such like every other moderator. you may choose a good moderator, hell you may even choose a great one, but the fact of the matter is that any mod who is doing their job is going to infuriate a lot of people along the way because that's just how moderating an internet site full of entitled young adults works.

deletedalmost 10 years

Croned says


belovedprincess says


Croned says


belovedprincess says

it's the same thing bro. if it's people getting enough votes, getting elected or not elected, then votes being transferred automatically to secondary candidates, it's still blind. there has to be personal input the whole way along or it's broken. that's what it is, right?


No, you choose who you want your votes to be transferred to by who you select as your second choice.


still broken, because those choices aren't relative to actual voting. it still ends up random. u need ur vote to be relative to other votes. u need to see the voting and try to steer it, basically


So can you explain why the STV system is not superior to all of the other feasible systems mentioned and the current system?


because the votes are random. there's no real coordination. see above. ur secondary vote is decided before seeing the actual voting. it might go into thin air. it might land on someone with no chance of ever being voted. the more dynamic a voting system is - as close to real conversation as possible - the better it is