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A New Approach to EM's Comp

almost 10 years

It should come as no surprise to anyone that has played Competitive lately that the state of the game has deteriorated immensely, and in particular, the frequency of meta-friendships has increased greatly, mainly due to the smaller player-base. Meta-friendships have always been around, but only now has it gotten so out of hand that it's hard to find a single round in which it hasn't occurred. Personally, I blame pranay for stirring the pot and basically encouraging this sort of mentality as the 'optimal' way to win a trophy.

In order to resuscitate EM's competition and restore a sense of legitimacy to the game, we need to take a three-pronged approach to rectify the underlying issue.

Redefine Cheating - First, we need to segment the current definition of cheating. A general cheating definition is fine, as it covers the specific instances of outright cheating. However, we need a separate violation for Multi-accounting (in the same game), which should, in my opinion, be an instant ban. More importantly, however, we need to endorse meta-friendships. They are unpreventable and need to be outlined as an acceptable strategy.

What is a meta-friendship? A player joins with another player with the intent to help that other player win, so long as they still abide by their win condition (might want to rephrase this so it makes more sense in contrast to Gamethrowing). Yes, you heard me right, and you'll understand why shortly.

Limit Players to 10 Comp Games with Any Other Player in a Given Round - We need to somehow make this a rule. Ideally, lucid could code us something that bars entry into a competitive game that has a player the runner has already played 10 games with. Ideally, this would be account-wide, barring alts from swapping in. I think 10 is a very generous amount, but the point is still there: we can't stop meta-friendships, but we can limit how often you do it and with whom. We may not be able to stop Ruse, for example, from joining each other's games, but I think after 10 with the same person, it's reasonable to say their run has been, at the very least, boosted by that other player's presence. Anon games won't work to prevent meta-friendships, but this will.

More than likely, lucid will not be willing or won't be around to code this. So I suggest this be made an announced rule and mods simply warn players that pass 10 games and then suspend if they do it. Believe it or not, in any given round, it is actually hard to play more than 10 games with 1 player, if you are joining games randomly. We need this randomization to deter extensive meta abuse.

Remove/Limit GY Vision in Comp - This is the major one. This is the one method we have of curtailing serious cheating in EM competitions. Ideally, we have lucid code it so that GY vision in comp games is equivalent to a blue that is still alive (i.e. see nothing do nothing in night sequences). However, simply removing GY vision, at the cost of spectating, is still an effective solution. If you care about legitimate games, you should want this and suffer to review the game if you really want to spectate. Still, the ideal solution is a great one and allows for non-intrusive spectating.


TL;DR The only way to counteract excessive meta abuse by friends is to 1) redefine cheating by endorsing meta-friendships (and defining them), 2) limit the amount of meta-friendship directly by player-to-player, 3) remove GY vision as a viable tactic for undetectable, serious cheating.

Restore EM's Competitive Glory
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almost 10 years
i should probably devote more time to playing comp. i would never think that limiting who you play with is a good idea, but i can feel myself getting out of touch.

as far as meta abuse goes, it's not an issue until it becomes borderline cheating. when i won this bronze i played most of my games with sachy and gira, and i misread them more often than not
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Retti, you missed the joke.
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Anna says


Ashelia says

lucid posts opinion, four mods en masse post to agree with it


mist isn't a mod. They quit because they got all mad because arcbell hijacked their account.


i was talking about you me lore and togepi
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Ashelia says

lucid posts opinion, four mods en masse post to agree with it


mist isn't a mod. They quit because they got mad at arcbell for hijacking their accounts.
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Well I honestly think he has a point and that there is no way to actually fix competitive mafia because it is no longer the focus on the website and we should leave it as it is as there will always be a playerbase who enjoys it
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Am I allowed to say butt kissers? Brown nosers.
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lucid posts opinion, four mods en masse post to agree with it
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Round 1 really was the golden age...
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mist says


Anna says


mist says


Anna says

Anyone who uses a friend to cheat is an idiot. You just easily cheat by using multiple browsers.


That's a good way to get caught very quickly.


Nope. You can use inbrowser VPNS/Proxies or even tor. You can't link the IP's and if you have enough accounts it is basically impossible to get caught.


Trust me, I know how all that works. But multi-accounting is really hard to do well and is generally fairly obvious if you're spectating across an entire round's worth of games unless you're really damn good at it.


I guess I'm really damn good at it.
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admin says

this has been going on forever. i feel like competitive mafia has been 'deteriorating' as long as the site has been in existence.


It's still a very present game mode but you are correct
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Shivv says


Togepi says

We were actually talking about writing and adding Meta Abuse to Cheating/Rules. I actually think I was supposed to write that (my bad). I'll have to run that past Sims.


Slacker


Sorry, sorry...
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admin says

this has been going on forever. i feel like competitive mafia has been 'deteriorating' as long as the site has been in existence.


agreed
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this has been going on forever. i feel like competitive mafia has been 'deteriorating' as long as the site has been in existence.
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VOTE NO ON THIS HE TRIED TO STEAL MY SWAG BUT MY PETITION REVOLUTIONIZE EM THIS JUST ADD POINTLESS NONSENSE TO IT
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endorsing meta abuse is a cutting edge idea
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Togepi says

We were actually talking about writing and adding Meta Abuse to Cheating/Rules. I actually think I was supposed to write that (my bad). I'll have to run that past Sims.


Slacker
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Powerhouse 10+ heart/day users such as Soda17 and Pranay7744 are the flesh & blood of competitive mafia
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We were actually talking about writing and adding Meta Abuse to Cheating/Rules. I actually think I was supposed to write that (my bad). I'll have to run that past Sims.
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Anna says


mist says


Anna says

Anyone who uses a friend to cheat is an idiot. You just easily cheat by using multiple browsers.


That's a good way to get caught very quickly.


Nope. You can use inbrowser VPNS/Proxies or even tor. You can't link the IP's and if you have enough accounts it is basically impossible to get caught.


Trust me, I know how all that works. But multi-accounting is really hard to do well and is generally fairly obvious if you're spectating across an entire round's worth of games unless you're really damn good at it.
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TheeCake says

Maybe dependent on timezone too


Runners that live in say Australia or New Zealand typically play with a smaller user base, so it restricting on a low number of games wouldn't be fair to them.
almost 10 years
Maybe dependent on timezone too
almost 10 years
I agree, 10 is too low. It should be somewhere between 15-25 games.
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The mods should just be more vigilant and stringent re: meta-cases, playing with the same person a lot is unavoidable
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Playing with someone more than 10 times if you're actually running is pretty common especially if you engage in outside-the-house activities during the day and only have a 2/3 hour time-slot to play EM.
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TheeCake says


Orly says


TheeCake says

Should be limiting games you can play with the same person, but not endorse meta-friendships. That is still stupid.


No matter what, meta-friendships are going to happen. It's time to accept them as a literal tactic in the game. Not doing so is just dodging around the elephant in the room.


That's like saying Cheating is going to happen, and embracing it and saying it should be a tactic.


The irony.