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Investigation for Round 310

over 9 years

Togepi and myself collaborated on a pastebin to investigate Zwink, CocaCola, and RadioFire90 in Round 310. Understand that the pastebin itself isn't the cleanest; rather our two bins were just put into one big bin because Togepi and myself are exhausted (I myself apologize for the poor formatting in my half, it's pretty bad) Nevertheless, the evidence is there. Other evidence was submitted by another user as well which helped us reach our verdict. Three moderators (Togepi, Sims, and myself) were involved in agreeing to the following verdict:

We have not concluded that cheating occurred between Zwink, CocaCola, and/or RadioFire90. We did however, have reason to believe that meta abuse occurred in Round 310 within this group.

The Verdict: Cocacola is going to be banned from winning trophies for 3 months due to meta abuse in the form of playing in favour of another user (Zwink) over the course of a Round. RadioFire90 is innocent. Zwink will be allowed to trophy this Round.

Cocacola will still be allowed to play gold heart games during this trophy ban. We (Togepi, Sims & myself) believe that Zwink's run in Round 310 was not tainted enough by CocaCola's meta abuse and interference to justify stripping Zwink of any possible trophy that she might win this round.

For those questioning the length of ban: Meta Abuse varies from situation to situation. The three moderators involved in this did not think that applying a Cheating violation to CocaCola would be appropriate in this particular instance, so we felt that the most fitting consequence would be to apply a ban on winning trophies for 3 months--half of what a normal cheating violation calls for. CocaCola and all of their alts will also be monitored whenever they are playing games with Zwink from now on in Competitive Rounds.

Here is the pastebin created by Togepi and myself: http://pastebin.com/rwJkeA5d

over 9 years

Jaleb says

Devante has been getting banned from rounds for the same reason if you haven't noticed.


i barely know the dude, how would i know?
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It's the only light in the everlasting dark tunnel that is Mafia
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Why didn't papuito and Zwink trophy
over 9 years

Twist says

Unblacklist Gallis you dumb gay homos


We did last time, you can wait for another downtime
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I suicided out of an unranked mafia game to host Gallis Hunter and the first thing I see is a big red banner on the top saying NO FUN ALLOWED please fix this error
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Nowwwwwwwww!!!!!11!! Jaleb!!!!!!!!!!11
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Twist says

Unblacklist Gallis you dumb gay homos

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Now!!!!!!
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Jaleb, yeah that makes sense. But the funnest part of the game is competing against other players. Only reason I am still around after 5 years.
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Unblacklist Gallis you dumb gay homos
over 9 years
Devante has been getting banned from rounds for the same reason if you haven't noticed.
over 9 years

CocaCola says


Sonrio says

youre not banned from playing competitve, you just cant trophy


Why play competitive when you can't play the point of the competition? this is ridiculous


I play so I don't have to play FP, and I rather play good scum hunting setups
over 9 years

Sonrio says

youre not banned from playing competitve, you just cant trophy


Why play competitive when you can't play the point of the competition? this is ridiculous
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CocaCola says

PS- I get banned for using meta, and Arcbell hacks 20+ peoples accounts and gets a slap on the wrist..... LOL what has this site come to?


we tried to ban him but got overruled by lucid
over 9 years
youre not banned from playing competitve, you just cant trophy
over 9 years
PS- I get banned for using meta, and Arcbell hacks 20+ peoples accounts and gets a slap on the wrist..... LOL what has this site come to?
over 9 years
space out your post
over 9 years
Since when is using meta to get reads on people something that is worthy of a ban? It's not in the rules....it clearly says that "Don't use anything outside of the game that doesn't pertain to meta". I've been around since 2009-2010, and as far as I've known, meta has been a key part of play since the very beginning.

Getting reads on someone solely off of how they play is the very foundation of this psychological game. It is literally what it is meant for. I've seen people over the past few years play with eachother constantly and win trophies because of it......I only came back and start playing again competitively at the start of the summer, and this site had changed dramatically. The mere fact that meta will ban me for 3 months from running is what bothers me. I made mistakes in games, we all do.

No one is perfect. Sure It may seem like I buddied Zwink a lot, but i still won games on my own, and lost games on my own. Everything i have said that involves me TRing Zwink is perfectly justified by my ability to read her. If there was a RULE against playing together, WHY ISNT IT MENTIONED IN THE RULES TAB. WHY ISNT USING META IN THE RULES TAB? How is it fair that I should be banned for competing in a round, being in the top 10 before I even met zwink, and then I am the one who is banned for 3 months because of I liked playing games with Zwink. It made running an actual enjoyable experience.

The mere fact that I told certain partners along the way that I read a certain person (Zwink) as town, is just the fact that I am able to read someone. Zwink did the exact same things, just she didn't blatantly say "trust him" like I did. I really don't think this ban is justified.
over 9 years
Am I allowed to appeal this ban? I do not believe it is worthy as I don't think meta was abused to this degree.....
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maybe that's what should've been done but i think at the time mods were unsure of how to handle it and unaware of the precedence, especially since it was discovered near the very end/extra days of the round
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Coca & Zwink played over 20 games together. That's wiping half her run when the race is already over. You'd need to like, refund games one a time as she played them so they didn't end up getting vegged.
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I honestly don't know why that was abandoned in favour of tossing a coin and going "well I *think* they'd have trophied anyway..."

Oh well. Bit late now.
over 9 years

Lashka says

This was the precedence set with the botched keri round with that weird guy who was throwing. Previously, every game between the players in question was refunded, win or loss, and the runner had to play them again. Which was far fairer.


I'd absolutely be down to rerun those hearts played with him, I'm sure I'd still do just as well.
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I choked worse sonrio, don't cri
over 9 years

windupParadox says


Zwink says

It does actually.If I was already in the top three before I met him, then obviously I would have placed regardless.


Not necessarily. Chokes happen all the time; having people who are playing in your favor in your game prevents them to an extent.


I see your point tbh, but I feel I would have still placed regardless. Other people who played with Coca and I have stated themselves that I didn't cheat. Arcbell even played with us and I lost as town and Arc mafia. Arc got this one wrong, oh well. Anyways, glad its cleared up now.