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Investigation for Round 310

over 9 years

Togepi and myself collaborated on a pastebin to investigate Zwink, CocaCola, and RadioFire90 in Round 310. Understand that the pastebin itself isn't the cleanest; rather our two bins were just put into one big bin because Togepi and myself are exhausted (I myself apologize for the poor formatting in my half, it's pretty bad) Nevertheless, the evidence is there. Other evidence was submitted by another user as well which helped us reach our verdict. Three moderators (Togepi, Sims, and myself) were involved in agreeing to the following verdict:

We have not concluded that cheating occurred between Zwink, CocaCola, and/or RadioFire90. We did however, have reason to believe that meta abuse occurred in Round 310 within this group.

The Verdict: Cocacola is going to be banned from winning trophies for 3 months due to meta abuse in the form of playing in favour of another user (Zwink) over the course of a Round. RadioFire90 is innocent. Zwink will be allowed to trophy this Round.

Cocacola will still be allowed to play gold heart games during this trophy ban. We (Togepi, Sims & myself) believe that Zwink's run in Round 310 was not tainted enough by CocaCola's meta abuse and interference to justify stripping Zwink of any possible trophy that she might win this round.

For those questioning the length of ban: Meta Abuse varies from situation to situation. The three moderators involved in this did not think that applying a Cheating violation to CocaCola would be appropriate in this particular instance, so we felt that the most fitting consequence would be to apply a ban on winning trophies for 3 months--half of what a normal cheating violation calls for. CocaCola and all of their alts will also be monitored whenever they are playing games with Zwink from now on in Competitive Rounds.

Here is the pastebin created by Togepi and myself: http://pastebin.com/rwJkeA5d

over 9 years

HeadModerator says

this isn't illegal, this is very high level play, the mafia equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advantage_gambling. this is how the best players create an edge and win trophies, rather than relying on luck like the players who think this kind of play is illegal.

trust me, i have personal experience.


You'll get kicked out of a casino if they catch you card counting.

But it's not the same anyway. In this case, Cocacola was playing against his own win condition. That's the equivalent of a blackjack dealer at a casino hitting on 20. If he did that, he'd be fired, and possibly charged for theft or some other charge related to dishonesty and money.
over 9 years
this isn't illegal, this is very high level play, the mafia equivalent of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advantage_gambling. this is how the best players create an edge and win trophies, rather than relying on luck like the players who think this kind of play is illegal.

trust me, i have personal experience.
over 9 years
so excited about 'Investigation for Round 311' ^_^
over 9 years

Togepi says

If you oppose so much, why don't you do some actual work and then go through the games yourself?


I don't "oppose" the mods. It's a given you're not going to do anything to help the game especially when you ban decent people but can't give a solid example of the action he abused.

Some of the things you blatantly disregard beg the question why you guys are modding games in the first place; so I'm going to have fun with this.
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So none of this is surprising just saying.
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Zwink blatantly cheats in red heart games.
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Togepi says

He's being too nice; I'm scared.


right now i feel like how Obama felt after they announced the ruling that Obama Care was here to stay!
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devantes the new junter.
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After an hour of forum posting it'll fade off
over 9 years
He's being too nice; I'm scared.
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in other news, an almost full 24 hours completely avoiding the epicmafia forums was rejuvenating and i felt like a brand new person when i woke up today, so for that, thank you, slow ! :)
over 9 years
Devante is the nicest mean person I've ever seen.
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Sims says

i'll talk to slow about getting rid of the bypassing vio, but you should have stopped posting when he told you


well, i wasn't really told to stop posting, it was more like i got forum suspended and my non-vio-worthy-post got deleted. However, i understand what you're saying and in the future i'll definitely think twice before acting ! :) <3
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To be clear, I don't think it's a problem that moderators are cracking down on this sort of behavior. It's not impossible to not be biased, and if you know you have a problem with it you should avoid playing with your friends as they approach the end of their run. There were multiple games where CocaCola is clearly favoring Zwink's win condition and that's throwing. Considering it was probably at least somewhat unconscious and like I said, it's something a lot of people are guilty of, I might of been a bit more lenient on the punishment for a first offense. Three months is like, ~9 rounds? That's actually a lot when you think about it, but it's mods call; a harsher verdict now might do more to discourage this in the future.

Done being a filthy tryhard in this thread now. Probably.
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is cocacola doctorpepper wahhaha
over 9 years
i'll talk to slow about getting rid of the bypassing vio, but you should have stopped posting when he told you
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a complaint thread would literally just be fueled with built up anger and i had no quarrel with slow until he decided he could play epicmafia's silencer and forum suspend me because he didn't like my post that wasn't breaking any rule, then togepi sticks by him on his stupid decision
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Slow forum suspends me for a post that wasn't breaking any rules, I go on an alt because I wasn't informed of why I was forum suspended and I assumed knew he was being an impulsive egomaniac, i began posting on an alt. I get a bypassing vio for posting on an alt for not getting a violation in the first place?
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i did appeal it, your mods messed it up. You're the next step, since you're the admin you can right their wrong
over 9 years
appeal it
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Kawarami multi accounted 10 of his last 10 hearts and didn't expect to get caught L O L
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shacky u should probably admin ot that stupid bypassing vio i have so i don't have to spend time typing up a complaint for a vio i shouldn't have because slow is a hypocritical power-hungry child
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Jaleb says

Devante has been getting banned from rounds for the same reason if you haven't noticed.


You have zero (0) idea what you're talking about
over 9 years
You have me added on Skype so use it.
over 9 years
I would like a moderators response to this. Obviously the community has spoken, I would like someone to reconsider. I like that you took your role seriously as a moderator, and I know both of you put a lot of work into this pastebin and investigation, but I feel the verdict of this investigation is not just. Please add me on Skype if you would like to talk or message me. I feel the numbers are there and would like an appeal to this ban from actually competing in the competition. I feel like I am taking the fall for something the whole community is guilty of. Obviously, as I have said many times and has been proven in my favor, I did not play against my win condition. I played to be my ability, I won games with and without Zwink, I lost games with and without Zwink. I am innocent.....