Epicmafia

Zwink

almost 10 years

"repeatedly playing with the intent for another person to win "

CocaCola's games with Zwink:

From the games I've looked at so far (about 1/4 of them) there's a pattern where Zwink always votes at the start of the day and CocaCola blindly sheeps it, usually in through a lynch. Especially if they're both town. CocaCola never seems to misread Zwink from what I've seen.

They also continually talk about "carrying each other" and trophying together and that sort of thing.

I started on a pastebin for them but my power went out and I lost it so this is all U guys get.

pereking

almost 10 years

idk I would not convict based on this. mostly just because there's not enough evidence of rolesharing. and giving high profile cheating based on some vague notion of meta abuse / two players playing slightly to each other's win condition...
... may be unwise
I mean I'm all for cracking down on players who play with each other and like "leave their friends for lylo" ... but that's a big step for the site to take and probably not a good idea to do that in unison with banning high profile players.
I'm gonna vote that they're innocnet... I don't actually think they're truly innocent though. Heck they might have role shared... I really don't think it's certain enough though based on the evidence... and it's not for lack of trying.

Burnmad

almost 10 years

Meh, the games aren't nearly as entertaining as the thread itself.

Togepi

almost 10 years

That's a lot more than most of the people in this thread read.

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of course, closer analysis meaning i read a grand total of two games.

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in fairness the whole "instantly sheep Zwink" thing is a weird, kind of fishy looking strategy. but on closer analysis it seems pretty benign to me

Arcbell

almost 10 years

ok fair point. systematic game throwing then, whichever.

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they would be throwing games for you, not abusing a meta

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what meta is being abused in that scenario arcbell?

Arcbell

almost 10 years

Devante says

First of all GuyFawk this is like her second competitive round, so that top of the leaderboards bs you said was false, stop giving stupid opinions on this matter because you are making it worse for the pair.

Arcbell says

3. being sheeped as a rule by the people you play with is meta abusing.

No, it's not.

so if i play with 2 of my friends and they, to help me, make a rule where they always sheep me, that's not meta abuse?

Togepi

almost 10 years

Togepi says

NothinButTime1 says

that's how you show your true skills in mafia. playing with a group of friends in comp is just really cheap and isn't fair to all the other players that play to win without some advantage.

I don't want to discourage people from playing with friends or people that they know. However, it is how you play with your friends that turns out to be the issue. If you are repeatedly playing against your wincon for another user, then that's where it starts to become a slippery slope of "I'm just playing with my friends!!" to "I'm playing FOR my friends."

Togepi

almost 10 years

GuyFawkes85 says

My 2 cents:

I've played A LOT with Zwink (in the round and before too).

1. She's not the type to cheat.
2. She didn't run for the trophy (so no reason to cheat)
3. She didn't meta abuse with anybody (she did play with people she knows well, but that's something we ALL do)
4. She was always on the top of the leaderboard (no reason to cheat, again)
5. In the games she played with me, I didn't notice ANYTHING pointing to her cheating.

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she cheated.

Thanks for your input.

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First of all GuyFawk this is like her second competitive round, so that top of the leaderboards bs you said was false, stop giving stupid opinions on this matter because you are making it worse for the pair.

Arcbell says

3. being sheeped as a rule by the people you play with is meta abusing.

No, it's not.

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

Read her posts in this thread gloating about how she earned every victory.

Arcbell

almost 10 years

GuyFawkes85 says

My 2 cents:

I've played A LOT with Zwink (in the round and before too).

1. She's not the type to cheat.
2. She didn't run for the trophy (so no reason to cheat)
3. She didn't meta abuse with anybody (she did play with people she knows well, but that's something we ALL do)
4. She was always on the top of the leaderboard (no reason to cheat, again)
5. In the games she played with me, I didn't notice ANYTHING pointing to her cheating.

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she cheated.

2. is wrong, yes she did. read the games. there's a lot of trophy talk that goes on in the pregames

3. being sheeped as a rule by the people you play with is meta abusing.

4. i don't think people who are on top of the leaderboard vs. not on top of the leaderboard have been any more/less likely to have been cheating, historically

Sonrio

almost 10 years

unpause the round

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

tends to happen when rounds get paused

Sonrio

almost 10 years

HOLy crap 5 people did it last round im ignorant

Sonrio

almost 10 years

in other news, we had 4 people break 2000. is this rare

Sonrio

almost 10 years

no one really cares now guy :/

GuyFawkes85

almost 10 years

My 2 cents:

I've played A LOT with Zwink (in the round and before too).

1. She's not the type to cheat.
2. She didn't run for the trophy (so no reason to cheat)
3. She didn't meta abuse with anybody (she did play with people she knows well, but that's something we ALL do)
4. She was always on the top of the leaderboard (no reason to cheat, again)
5. In the games she played with me, I didn't notice ANYTHING pointing to her cheating.

I SERIOUSLY DOUBT she cheated.

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xela says

Devante says

i'm going to start a war on the weebs, my team will consist of me, harry and Zovea vs. the rest.

nat and bell will be the only weebs spared during our assault

besides harry u just created a team of a bunch of cucks

ok good to know

UniversalStudios

almost 10 years

With 2 Black males present there most definitely is a lot of cuck.

xela

almost 10 years

Devante says

i'm going to start a war on the weebs, my team will consist of me, harry and Zovea vs. the rest.

nat and bell will be the only weebs spared during our assault

besides harry u just created a team of a bunch of cucks

Shamzy

almost 10 years

I'm liking this sassy side of Shivv

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"<-- read night 1 lol"

up your game