Hi. Recently, I've felt that our current rules do not fit the current meta and playerbase, and are outdated in many aspects. I've been thinking about rewriting them in full, but I figured that a more open approach would allow for everyone to be more content if such a thing happened. I want to use this thread to talk about discrepancies in the system and how to appropriately fix or address them. I believe that the rules are not accessible enough based on website design alone and how they are handled. This leads to a lot of complaints that could be thinned down if people came together and defined the rules in such a way that can make everyone (mostly) happy. I want to use this thread as a placeholder and for people to be critical as much as they please with aspects of the report system also, and how we as a team could possibly improve it or get lucid to notice that it is in need of an overhaul. It's a very daunting task, but I want to believe that the people who spend their time in the complaints section, constantly riding on mods or problems with the site, finally will put their money with their mouth is.
The goal of this thread is to hopefully allow new and old users thoroughly understand the rules more clearly so the amount of reports diminishes and people have a more enjoyable experience.
No one has explained this one to me yet, same game. Pranay said the r word 2 times, Zovea said it 3 times and only one of them got the violation. But, some people are getting a violation for saying the word once.
i also don't have to do reports. that's a plus. and random trolls don't hate off me for being a mod. and i don't have to conduct myself "professionally." and i don't feel like a primary target for whatever hackers might still be around and i can browse the forums with images on.
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i think like the only person who's been "backseat modding" is bell and that's by virtue of reporting previously banned users
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i meant in general, not itt
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I like that we both called it backseat moderating.
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I fully understand why. I just mean she may as well have stayed on as a moderator at this rate. Backseat moderating is essentially moderating. It's still contributing to the same cause, just from a somewhat disadvantaged position.
i mean, not that i haven't been backseat modding at all elsewhere but is giving input on a thread titled "Community Project" really backseat modding?
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The problem is that the team lacks proper experience and a focal leader to get this going, and I did this on a whim as I felt it was needed, so I turned to the community to see what they had to say. I agree with you completely but it's hard to be on the same page but if people haven't even bothered to (heh) read or care about the subject at hand. Basically, Thomas Edison was a hack and nobody should have ideas ever
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I fear the inconsistencies of this EpicMafia report system.
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harry, the last mod team really didn't get tired of modding, they just got angry at lucid. It's not like they all left and were saying, "modding sucks, i'm out." They basically left and said, "Lucid sucks, I'm out" & that's why a few of them are modding or are backseat modding still
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it's hard to gauge the efficacy of the report system because there seems to be an entire spectrum of ambiguity as to what qualifies as a violation lately. too many instances of "i reported X for this and they didn't receive a vio, but Y reported Z for the same thing [however many months back] and Z received a vio." team synergy is a must and before you make any changes to the rules it would be best for the mod team to sift through some reports and decide on an appropriate model for handling specific cases. nobody wants to sit there getting plagued with uncertainty in a skype chat for hours before any definitive action is taken. it's a lot worse having confused mods than confused players.
i keep trying to reply to this but im not really sure what you're getting at to be honest.
i was gonna reply to oksus but i see he already got pretty thoroughly told. i just like that he tried to censor bypass but did it with ampersands which just hides the word altogether.
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I'm glad that you think human decency is disregarded just because of the Internet, Oksus.
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You're right. Who needs rules for posting underaged nudes when you can safeguard the interests of people who play nothing but competitive games of mafia.
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the report system is in place for precisely individuals like you
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If mods didn't enforce rules in the fp games that you play you would never play this website again, i can assure you. So just shut up
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I know why you stepped down. I'm just saying that you are way too involved with mod stuff. Let it go.
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If you cant take S&&& from people don't go online. Stop hiding behind the rules. Anyway, report system should only exist for the competitive part of EM, seeing as how it is the only place that needs rules. Casual is meant to be casual for a reason, it allows freedom to do whatever you want.
because lucid was too busy unbanning arcbell to implement things like what i just laid out.
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the thing about dibbun's action is it wasn't even that bad until a bunch of people started joining in and hiding actual comments on the lobby wall. having 1 dislike on your posts shouldn't really affect you. Also, eventually the person would get bored of negging every single post in every single thread in every single lobby. That being a rule would just be another violation for mods to arbitrarily give on an inconsistent basis
The report system is always going to be abused to an extent when it's left as open as it is. The only real way I can think of trying to tackle this without help from Lucid is to be a bit more liberal about report spam violations but that wouldn't do much to fix the problem and would probably cause a lot more frustration than anything else.
there's been a few ideas i've heard of to streamline the report system. one i like is to change the open box to a system a lot of other communities use where when you report someone you get a drop down box and can select the rule you're reporting for and then you still have the box to add details.
even better would be if after selecting a rule there was a one or two sentence explanation or clarification given for the rule. like if you went to report someone for GRS it might say "Make sure the suicide was game related and not because someone had to leave or wasn't paying attention."
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Well it's like the Dibbun thing. It's safe to say that pretty much everyone was getting sick of his crap, but it was difficult to find an applicable violation. That being said, a violation which is designated to forum misbehaviour would not be something to be abused or distributed softly.
