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deletedover 9 years

Blacklisting fancy pants is a freaking awesome step that you just took, mods. However, classic mafia is mechanically the exact same setup

Please please follow through with the awesome decision you have partially made and destroy the scourge that has plagued us for years instead of just one head of the hydra. Compared to what was expected, fancy pants has died with very little commotion.

Matt55
over 9 years
This website sucks so much donkey pen15 even more than it did before.
deletedover 9 years

RepubIic says


Triumphant says

If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have


If you want comp to ever be healthy, give players a reason to join comp, not just because you dismiss all other set ups and only deem certain ones "playable." That's elitism at it's finest.


If we allowed classic mafia, it wouldn't be "comp" by virtue of a 50/50 coin flip not being a competition
deletedover 9 years

Triumphant says

If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have


If you want comp to ever be healthy, give players a reason to join comp, not just blacklist popular set ups because you dismiss them and only deem certain ones "playable." That's elitism at it's finest.
Clair
over 9 years
orc on mafia n1 is fine for mafia because solo mafia can carry pretty easily since they don't have partner tells weighing them down. town are totally blind because there's no day 1 which is the best way to get reads
deletedover 9 years
check it out, im about to do it.
deletedover 9 years
If you ever want comp to be healthy again you have to kill it now. This "Christopherzilla as mod" thing is probably the last opportunity we'll ever have
deletedover 9 years

Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell


that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.


Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong


it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.


Mafia hit miller 1 night 1 they're screwed, mafia hit the orc n1 on mafia they're pretty screwed, mafia hit orc on bp town is screwed


miller impact isn't that bad since miller is only beneficial to mafia on ML day anyway. Killing the orc who is on either the mafia or the BP happens a lot less often than killing Cop N1 in Classic.
Clair
over 9 years
in jan 2.0 there is always the lawyered mafia, the miller, etc. that puts it miles ahead of classic
Togepi
over 9 years

Harunan says


Togepi says

You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.


welp i better self delete ive been doing it all wrong


I'll remember you fondly.
deletedover 9 years

Togepi says

You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.


welp i better self delete ive been doing it all wrong
Clair
over 9 years

Devante says


Triumphant says

I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.


so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?


the point is that in classic, you only need to read into cops. if you get that right, the partner is found via reports, and if you get it wrong, mafia win. therefore, the degree of reads is lessened tenfold
deletedover 9 years
classic mafia is fine, come play poker https://epicmafia.com/game/4114602
deletedover 9 years

MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell


that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.


Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong


it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.


Mafia hit miller 1 night 1 they're screwed, mafia hit the orc n1 on mafia they're pretty screwed, mafia hit orc on bp town is screwed
deletedover 9 years

Triumphant says


RepubIic says

Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.


Optimal play is taking the very simple step of adding 2+2 in order to win


That's not playing that's doing math.

Math isn't fun.
Togepi
over 9 years

RepubIic says

Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.


You don't play to have fun on EpicMafia.
deletedover 9 years
@Connor what you said makes more sense, I was looking at it differently.
deletedover 9 years

RepubIic says

Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.


Optimal play is taking the very simple step of adding 2+2 in order to win
Clair
over 9 years

Triumphant says


Harunan says

Classic/FP with daystart then. :B


Must lynch would probably be fine


must lynch gives mafia the option to not-cc cop but ends with a reduced EV, but still better than not-ccing and NLing.

optimally, must lynch means nothing changes.
deletedover 9 years

Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell


that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.


Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong


it really depends on what "greatly" means to you. I don't think the N1 kill in VDLI really matters that much.
deletedover 9 years

Triumphant says

Devante14s
Triumphant says
I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.
so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?

If there are, no one bothers forming them.


does ur quote button not work
deletedover 9 years
Isn't optimal play just suppose to be having fun no matter what the set up? I guess I'm confused.
deletedover 9 years

MODSRTHEFKERS says


Devante says


MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


that's the case with every single competitive setup aswell


that's a stretch. only a few can be autowin N1 and others aren't as heavily impacted because a lot of comp setups have MLs too.


Name me one comp setup and i'll tell u why you're wrong
deletedover 9 years

RepubIic says


MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


isn't that the same with like, every mafia set up?


No. There's always some swinginess depending on the N1 kill, but there really aren't as many that are impacted to the same degree as Classic, but I think that's also largely because people flounder around in that setup if cop is N1'd.
deletedover 9 years
Devante14s
Triumphant says
I'm saying it is a coinflip because if both parties play optimally (which they sometimes do not because people who play these games are freaking idiots, explaining the margin of error) it is exactly a 50/50 shot.
so are you saying there's absolutely 0 reads that go into the games ?

If there are, no one bothers forming them.
Clair
over 9 years

MODSRTHEFKERS says

Republic, he's saying it's a coinflip because the N1 kill very greatly affects the outcome of the game. A more "balanced" setup wouldn't be so deeply impacted by whatever role is killed N1.


incorrect