No. If every table was stacked with exactly the same caliber of players trying exactly the same strategies and having more-or-less the same shot of winning, statistics would matter.
Get this: they aren't. The numbers are at best just a guideline it's not something you should use as your #1 reason to decide X setup's balance. If you have an ounce of common sense you'll realize that setups like YYC which have a decent shot at going into the game with autowin for one side isn't acceptable, or even balanced.
The variable for a scumsided setup is (should be?) allowed to be higher because it's essentially harder for Mafia to win than town if everyone has the same standard of skill. You can't compare SDS to YYC because, well, it's just friggin dumb.
YYC does not encourage scumhunting. It encourages somehunting.
You don't do anything but out meaningless fos.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
no actually, it comes out at about 40% winchance overall playing the scumsided setup versus a bit over 50% playing the townsided setup
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
tl;dr version of my last post
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
that could work, but if you're above average before you cheat you remain above average after aswell :)
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
No, the fact of the matter is most scum sided setups are scum sided because people fail to scum hunt. Most town sided setups are town sided because town usually has an advantage like a ml, cop and a gun or something.
If pranay, Shivv, and Maxwell flip scum in a game of sds they're going to win 80% of the time not 57%. If they all flip town and are not n1'd and don't have some type of grudge against each other they'll win 80% of the time.
Bringing up stats literally proves nothing because if you are aiming to play a 50/50% setup that setup itself a true coin flip.
The point of competition is usually to prove who is the better scum hunter which is why you flip town 2/3 towns not the other way around. That's why scum sided setups are more favourable in competition because THAT is the actual competition, you're suppose to find the mafia. You're not suppose to have a gun, watcher, cop and whatever else this sh*tty setup has, you're suppose to literally be able to fos mafia based off scum................................. hunt........
devante, look what you're saying, if you enter a 57% maf game setup and flip mafia you're going to win 57% of the time, if you enter a town game in a setup at 57% town, your chance is 57% to win
if i'm wrong than you're saying long-term statistics are wrong. fiddler as a role is very subjective. i liked the dynamic of it
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
high maf winrate decreases the luck factor/increases the skill factor. ur going to get a better estimation of a player by their stats in scumsided setups
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deleteddeletedover 11 years agoedited
a setup with a higher mafia win rate is usually much better than a setup with a high town win rate.
Example: Jan 2.0 BV O2R GAI
Those are all setups that rely mostly on scum hunting, the average player can't scum hunt which is usually why the mafia win more than not.
This setup (YYV)is literally based off a n1 kill and a lucky sheriff (or whatever the pr is) shot day 1.
If you try comparing SDS or A&D to YYC you're making a fool of yourself.
I as town can't remember the last time I lost a game of SDS, you just need to know how to scum hunt.
edited: nevermind, I lost yesterday when Giga had a ml day 3 and lynched obvious town then sheeped the towns read and lynched final town in lylo.
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
Well, you're wrong. I don't think YYC was uncomped because of the statistics - think it was more a matter of having Fiddler in competitive play. Even so, a setup that gives town 2 chances of hitting Mafia on the first day and/or can potentially give autowin going into the first day, isn't balanced. You don't need long-term statistics to see that.
