So what you're saying is that the difference got smaller? In other words, it balanced out?

Pretty sure it was a 15% difference last night, iirc.

I agree, I remember bringing up something similar when RL3 was blacklisted one day into comp. It just kinda stifles setup selection too much. I'd say waiting til a certain cut-off point in the round (like day 2) before deciding y/n is fair.

Most new setups don't get enough plays to make a difference except in certain rounds like this where it's predominantly newer stuff.

It's 9% difference, woah, what a dumb move to blacklist it. Also haven't read the thread

Fair point, I'd still argue that debuting a fresh new potentially unbalanced setup isn't really the greatest idea because if it ends up being popular and then eventually blacklisted for being a town point-farm, it more or less stunts the competitive nature of the game and throws of the round a little bit.

at the same time though you don't really want to give any setup special treatment by featuring it just to get it tested. Then everyone will beg for their setups to get featured for that purpose.

It's simple enough that I could see it becoming popular in future comp rounds or reds if it stays relatively balanced.

Given we've already debuted it in gold hearts, I reckon there'd be a problem getting some red heart games going seeing as that was one of the more popular setups this round.

If anything, It could be a featured setup to promote its ranked play for testing purposes.

It was recomped last night and as since evened out.

problem with that is that it's really hard to get a new setup tested in red hearts before it gets debuted in gold. Not to mention the environment is different enough that the numbers would be inaccurate probably.

I'd say let it stay ranked and get to 50 plays and look at the point payout etc, before letting it be comped. But this is just, imho. Haven't read anything in the thread at all.

Yeah, 75 could work. The amount of plays shouldn't be so finite, just use it as a rough estimate and judge it. If you thought something had potential at 50, but then the next 25 are all town wins where mafia has a consistent mechanical disadvantage given the way the setup breaks out, there's no need to draw it out to 100.

It's a grey area judgment call, but either way it just needs more plays before you can decide whether it's allowed in comp or not.

Maybe 75 then

I totally get what you're saying though, it's unfortunate, but 50 plays really isn't enough for some setups to determine if they're balanced or not. Unless it's like really extreme. If it's within like 60:40 then I'd say just deal with it until you see if that's the actual rate or if the margin slims.

problem is, giga, is that 50 plays is still really few and chances are the entire payout system is based off of a very short period of time and only a few players, so it's not as balanced as it should be, plus a win/loss in either direction has a greater impact, so the points change a lot. After 100 it's a bit more stable and will probably have a better balance by then.

Renaldo says

50 plays is usually too few unless it's more than like 65% leaning one way or the other (like internet dating). It's unfortunate that the point payouts change, it'd be really cool if lucid changed that to at least 100.

The only reason I think it should be 50 is because that's when payouts change, idk how I feel about it going to 100 though that's a lot

usually I liked to give setups ~200 plays so that meta has an opportunity to develop. By 100 though usually you can make a decision one way or the other unless there's a major meta shift after that.

50 plays is usually too few unless it's more than like 65% leaning one way or the other (like internet dating). It's unfortunate that the point payouts change, it'd be really cool if lucid changed that to at least 100.

There are a handful of comp setups that enable autowin day 1 (WWtW, DSW) and they're acceptable. It's just a matter of how often autowin gets achieved (ie a low low percentage, which i assume is the case in BF2)

I like that the mods are vigilant about making sure the competition is devoid of imbalanced setups, but this particular setup needs more time before outright blacklisting + removal.

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1169255 WOAH it's SCUMSIDED after 34 games BLACKLIST IT. BLACKLIST IT NOW

you probably shouldn't make decisions like that without jasper

why was a setup blacklisted after 16 games

Sims says

well, the mods kittened out and put it back.

Good points were brought up in this thread and I realized I probably hastily decomped it too soon for fear of it tainting the round.

the solution is to not make bad decisions

Shame them for making a decision and shame them for backing out of a decision. That will teach them to try to do things

well, the mods kittened out and put it back.

If he had used the word affect I would have recognized him as a respectable fellow, but unfortunately he did not.

Apostasy says

Germatron once used the word effect when he meant affect in a mafia game with me. Gosh he's dumb.

what a moron