Round 248 Discussion

Tashieover 11 years ago

Congratulations to the winners of Round 240!


Valen14

Setups

Lyncher's Paradise

Anaconda


mack

Setups

fun is bad

Politics as Usual Lite


keri

Setups

Janitorial 2.0

Manhunt


Good luck to the participants of Round 248!

Renaldoover 11 years ago
yeah it's difficult to make a setup that has PRs that all benefit from not claiming. Vig is just a swingy role that's tough to fit in a serious competitive setup.
Hibikiover 11 years agoedited
unless i added a crier. in theory it's a great substitute for BP but because of EM's nature to wait for & sheep the crier it doesn't seem that appealing
Hibikiover 11 years ago
Renaldo
I could just imagine 11 players without a leader getting very chaotic.
yeah at the end of the day, there's no getting around this. that's why i tried to make smaller vig setups but because of the nature of the vig they are either bland or Totally Bland
Hibikiover 11 years ago
i mean, i don't see multiple paps being that strong since the first pap + subsequent night kills (+ reads on players) seems like it would be enough to make later paps redundant
Renaldoover 11 years ago
I think regardless it'd lean slightly scumsided. Not unplayably so, however.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
theoretically i could throw in 3 paps since a) vig shot disables pap and b) scum will be in a big bind if their nillas/scout get picked off but not the pap
Renaldoover 11 years ago
Hibiki
Renaldo
I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.
scum hitting bp can benefit town (gained ml with vig shot since theres a chance vig might not get a 2nd shot) so all 3 PRs would hide. the pap isn't there to have a role, just to aid scum in finding PRs if they go down
gotcha, this is also better. I could just imagine 11 players without a leader getting very chaotic. I like the idea of no one claiming though.
AdrenalineMimeover 11 years ago
let's test lobl i heard there's a bug exploit in the last patch
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Augustineover 11 years ago
https://epicmafia.com/game/3638966 test
Hibikiover 11 years agoedited
Renaldo
I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.
scum hitting bp can benefit town (gained ml with vig shot since theres a chance vig might not get a 2nd shot) so all 3 PRs would hide. the pap isn't there to have a role, just to aid scum in finding PRs if they go down
AdrenalineMimeover 11 years ago
you're right, we should take it to sandbox
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Renaldoover 11 years ago
red heart testing isn't bad if you have a table of people who play the setup as intended.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
plus you're not going to fill an 11 player unranked game any time soon. in fact you wouldn't fill any gold heart games either.

in fact no one will play. it's not really worth pursuing even though the setup is decent enough
Renaldoover 11 years ago
I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
theres no value in playing it unranked honestly imo, the only real testing that is valid is a series of games played at a competitive (gold heart) level to evaluate balance issues
AdrenalineMimeover 11 years ago
https://epicmafia.com/game/3638960
Hibikiover 11 years ago
is gira online? i bet he'd have a look and give me a good LowDown
Hibikiover 11 years ago
ok please comment on your first impressions or analysis of the setup because i don't expect it to be perfect
Renaldoover 11 years ago
+1 for you pal.
Hibikiover 11 years ago
please look at my setup
Hibikiover 11 years ago
Hibiki
make this epicmafia's first ever 4 mafia setup https://epicmafia.com/setup/1148668
look at my setup
deleteddeletedover 11 years ago
4 mafia setup sounds interesting on paper, but having 10 people alive is already pushing the limits of what can reasonably be managed. I guess it becomes more about crowd-control and herd-mentality with those numbers, which is interesting in itself.
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Hibikiover 11 years agoedited
his only application is dawn start "MYLO" setups or larger dawn start setups because using him in night start calls for a random shot and using his shot when town have a ML is counter-productive unless he can squeeze a 2nd shot out. so it's really hard to make a setup for him
AdrenalineMimeover 11 years ago
i agree though vigilante is a cool role, he's like the cowboy of mafia
Hibikiover 11 years ago
Hibiki
make this epicmafia's first ever 4 mafia setup https://epicmafia.com/setup/1148668