Epicmafia

almost 10 years

yeah it's difficult to make a setup that has PRs that all benefit from not claiming. Vig is just a swingy role that's tough to fit in a serious competitive setup.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

unless i added a crier. in theory it's a great substitute for BP but because of EM's nature to wait for & sheep the crier it doesn't seem that appealing

Hibiki

almost 10 years

Renaldo says

I could just imagine 11 players without a leader getting very chaotic.

yeah at the end of the day, there's no getting around this. that's why i tried to make smaller vig setups but because of the nature of the vig they are either bland or Totally Bland

Hibiki

almost 10 years

i mean, i don't see multiple paps being that strong since the first pap + subsequent night kills (+ reads on players) seems like it would be enough to make later paps redundant

Renaldo

almost 10 years

I think regardless it'd lean slightly scumsided. Not unplayably so, however.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

theoretically i could throw in 3 paps since a) vig shot disables pap and b) scum will be in a big bind if their nillas/scout get picked off but not the pap

Renaldo

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

Renaldo says

I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.

scum hitting bp can benefit town (gained ml with vig shot since theres a chance vig might not get a 2nd shot) so all 3 PRs would hide. the pap isn't there to have a role, just to aid scum in finding PRs if they go down

gotcha, this is also better. I could just imagine 11 players without a leader getting very chaotic. I like the idea of no one claiming though.

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

let's test lobl i heard there's a bug exploit in the last patch

Augustine

almost 10 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/3638966 test

Hibiki

almost 10 years

Renaldo says

I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.

scum hitting bp can benefit town (gained ml with vig shot since theres a chance vig might not get a 2nd shot) so all 3 PRs would hide. the pap isn't there to have a role, just to aid scum in finding PRs if they go down

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

you're right, we should take it to sandbox

Renaldo

almost 10 years

red heart testing isn't bad if you have a table of people who play the setup as intended.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

plus you're not going to fill an 11 player unranked game any time soon. in fact you wouldn't fill any gold heart games either.

in fact no one will play. it's not really worth pursuing even though the setup is decent enough

Renaldo

almost 10 years

I'm not really sure how it'd be played - I would probably have BP claim and have the paparazzi counterclaim and have a battle between those two - with the goal being to get the BP lynched, or if pap is lynched then trying to reveal the cop/vig.

Not really sure what you had in mind for the vig though.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

theres no value in playing it unranked honestly imo, the only real testing that is valid is a series of games played at a competitive (gold heart) level to evaluate balance issues

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/3638960

Hibiki

almost 10 years

is gira online? i bet he'd have a look and give me a good LowDown

Hibiki

almost 10 years

ok please comment on your first impressions or analysis of the setup because i don't expect it to be perfect

Renaldo

almost 10 years

+1 for you pal.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

please look at my setup

Hibiki

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

make this epicmafia's first ever 4 mafia setup https://epicmafia.com/setup/1148668

look at my setup

deletedalmost 10 years

4 mafia setup sounds interesting on paper, but having 10 people alive is already pushing the limits of what can reasonably be managed. I guess it becomes more about crowd-control and herd-mentality with those numbers, which is interesting in itself.

Hibiki

almost 10 years

his only application is dawn start "MYLO" setups or larger dawn start setups because using him in night start calls for a random shot and using his shot when town have a ML is counter-productive unless he can squeeze a 2nd shot out. so it's really hard to make a setup for him

AdrenalineMime

almost 10 years

i agree though vigilante is a cool role, he's like the cowboy of mafia

Hibiki

almost 10 years

Hibiki says

make this epicmafia's first ever 4 mafia setup https://epicmafia.com/setup/1148668

Round 248 Discussion

Congratulations to the winners of Round 240!

Valen14

Setups

mack

Setups

keri

Setups

Good luck to the participants of Round 248!