in bsh the maf cant bus into autolose so u lead a lynch
in most cases i ask for self votes because there are trolls in town who split votes and help mafia win.
some times the maf will not self vote and insist on crossing.
also i develop the self voting meta so that the mafia are afraid of stalling the day
i also develop the self voting meta so that when others are in game with me they ask me to self vote
if everybody self votes, and there is hammer with the clear, then i can blitz. if i change the vote at the same time the clear votes me, i can get someone else lynched.
people who say that the one is better than other are noobs and dont understand the rationale behind all aspects of the game.
some times self voting is very important because u dont want the stalker to out his stalk, or u dont want the maf to get reactions from town by claiming things or to instruct their partners.
getting reactions by leading lynch is very important in many cases.
both ways are important.
also crosses are good in some cases instead of self voting.
self voting instills fear in the mafia when the clear is good. one can read that fear and get reads.
when maf self votes they will stop talking out of fear if they are not experienced to this meta
also somebody's gotta die anyway dudes. it's a loaded vs. an unloaded gun, with someone to die anyway, + what Steven said. someone give evidence of town doing better when the prs lead rather than hammer
shiv is a dumbass and his post is laughable
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but if a mafia reacts well to the lead that would fuvk up your judgement whereas u woulda nailed scum in a self vote/cross
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the whole "self vote for clear" site meta needs to be crushed.
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the reads elicited from a bandwagon and voting speeds etc. trumps the possibility of the mafia playing poorly.
I'm not assuming anything, mafia may have made stalk codes or not, but because you are unaware it is optimal to ask for self votes in that situation, as you gain nothing for leading on a guilty (unless you reaction test and hide the guilty to fish for partners, which is a viable alternative)
I used the term "slowroll" to refer to when mafia has hammer/can blitz on lylo and doesn't, dragging the game out needlessly. I have no idea what this is supposed to be talking about
Also it's the opposite, it is only when you're not confident that leading is better, because it allows you to evaluate extra reactions, not only from the player but the other players too (which is why leading is better usually)
You're wrong about that, self voting is sometimes better.
Let's say you had a guilty where there's no millers or anything but there is a stalker. Leading on the mafia is completely suboptimal because it allows them to out the stalk. Instead the best play there is to ask for self votes saying you have a guilty (or inno, it's all the same. Mafia won't risk outting stalk in case you're reaction testing) and hammer the scum.
self-voting is never better and it's only propagated by egocentric clears that lack confidence in their ability to lynch right and want to get the process over quickly.
