well, i've left the message i want to leave for the moderators.
sammie, you can keep believing what you believe, but that's not the way i will choose to run things. you can always get your own lobby and run things your own way. but the Main lobby is mine
i'm sorry but if a new user truly intends to follow the rules and learn then being suspended for 1 day, one time, is a pretty OK trade-off in my book if they learn never to game throw again after that.
and, heres a thought, why not add hipfiring to the list of things that fall under Game throwing in the rules page? then theres no excuse for new players
deletedover 9 years
The only reasons someone would want to hipfire in a ranked game are either some form of Trolling/GTing or trying to look cool. It's not fair to the other users if someone hipfires town and automatically puts the town at a disadvantage.
who says every user that claims to be a new user is a new user? just because someone is new doesnt mean they didnt break the rules. if a single 1 day suspension truly breaks their spirit so much they quit on the spot, then they probably dont have the heart to play this game in the first place.
also you act like i try to hide my past at all. but why does me having a shady past mean i cant have an opinion on this?
why would a new player thats never had a gun before choose to instantly fire their gun in a ranked game?
when GS was first introduced (yes, i was around) , and i got my first gun, i was very frightened to shoot with it because i was scared of the retaliation.
surely that is the natural response for any new user.
the natural response to getting a gun for a new player isnt to hipfire it immediately when you get it.
The point isn't to coddle new users Sammie, the point is to not punish somebody for making a simple and easy to correct mistake. Just like how we look for intention when giving out gamethrowing violations, we aren't going to suspend a new player for being new.
i'm sorry you had a bad time while learning Mafia on this site, but just because you had a bad time doesn't mean the new players have to go through the same thing.
why even mention this? what does my past have to do with anything?
when i was new i got yelled at and ostracized and called a garbage (they werent so nice about it) player. you know what? i have a thick skin and i learned from it and i got freaking better.
coddling eveyr new user and not punishing them when they break the rules just like everyone else doesnt help them in the long run at all.
sammie, you clearly have forgotten difficult it is to learn to play the game property. most players need to fool around a bit to learn the mechanics and rules.
also Capture my name is Sammie. sammy is a totally different user. omg :l
look hipfiring shouldnt be ambigious. "oh its gt if youre not new but if youre new you dont get any vio at all"? really? to be honest , a 1 day suspension IS the warning. and if someone cant play for a whole day based on something they did that is objectively gamethrowing, they will instantly learn its not ok to do.
meanwhile if we just give wrist slaps instead of GT vios they might not realize how harsh it is.
and if they dont learn from the first 1 day suspension they dont have intent of learning at all.
deletedover 9 years
It's automatically ruled as either Trolling or GT, regardless of the circumstances.
lucid whats the point of having main lobby if we have to constantly work around rules? you know how easy it is to make an alt and pretend to be new to rack up vios?
hipshooting is GT and fi you're really a new player you won't hipshoot in the first place because you won't know what to do with a gun.
i've never seen a new player hipfire. its always an experienced player that hipfires because they think theyre so cool if they shoot a mafia member.
Well I suppose , but thats such a fringe scenario its better to just say "Yes its gamethrowing"
deletedover 9 years
The only time I'd say this is acceptable is in a setup with an illusionist who hasn't fired day 1 and you shoot as day 2 flips without asking for claims, otherwise if you shoot just to shoot you're not playing optimally which is basically equivalent to game throwing.
what other intent is there? you just played a complete roulette which has a less than 50% chance of shooting mafia. waiting it out and shooting based on claims, etc, would almost always raise the chance of shooting mafia so why not wait for claims?
Historically, yes. If you don't have a legitimate reason to hipshoot chances are you're going to get a GT violation. There are probably exceptions, but you shouldn't do it regardless.
Is hipshooting considered GT now?
