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Clair
over 10 years

:^)

Owen
over 10 years
oh ok

well I disagree and I don't have the energy to argue right now, so continue on with your thread I'm gonna jet
Clair
over 10 years
no. i'm not saying that it's broken but we should accept it. i'm saying that it's acceptable and in my opinion non-broken, while making use of it is not exploitation at all
Owen
over 10 years

Connor says

well honestly in my opinion if the system allowed forced ties then they should be legal and i dunno why everyone's against it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


you're saying that because a system is broken, then we shouldn't do anything to fix it, and voluntarily continue using this system when its evidently being exploited, just because "that's the way it is"

you don't see how close-minded and inflexible that mentality is, dave?
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

then why intervene during intentional ties? the mechanic "sucks" there too.



Empire says

Not playing your hearts to purposely tie and get more hearts for a chance to win get a better trophy is 100% an exploit.

The system for tying has always been flawed, and the only thing that needs to be fixed here is possibly that when there's a tie it needs to lock in the spots not in contention (Ex. 2/3rd tie, 1st is locked and 4th can't overtake). It's just that no one has ever bothered to fix it because ties are so rare.


The first is purposely relying on an flawed mechanic to game the system.

The second is being stuck with the flawed mechanic out of misfortune.
Clair
over 10 years

Zlake says

when it is an artificial one, it is the job of the moderators to compensate for the flaw and prevent it.


says you
Zlake
over 10 years
the job of the round system is to prolong the round when there is a natural deadlock. when it is an artificial one, it is the job of the moderators to compensate for the flaw and prevent it.
Clair
over 10 years

Owen says

the type of mentality that connor has right now is the reason why nothing gets done ever


elaborate on this very uninformed and ignorant statement please
Clair
over 10 years

Empire says


Connor says

not to mention that if it was "low" to do such a thing, mods should have been forcing non-tied placers to keep their place during unintentional ties but they never died. discrimination intentional and unintentional ties based on having hearts left to play is also stupid since i could have had to go out to dinner or something that night



Empire says

The system for tying has always been flawed, and the only thing that needs to be fixed here is possibly that when there's a tie it needs to lock in the spots not in contention (Ex. 2/3rd tie, 1st is locked and 4th can't overtake). It's just that no one has ever bothered to fix it because ties are so rare.


The attitude when someone loses a trophy because of it has always just been "That sucks. The mechanic sucks. Oh well."


then why intervene during intentional ties? the mechanic "sucks" there too.
Owen
over 10 years
the type of mentality that connor has right now is the reason why nothing gets done ever
Zlake
over 10 years

Connor says

not to mention that if it was "low" to do such a thing, mods should have been forcing non-tied placers to keep their place during unintentional ties but they never did. discriminating between intentional and unintentional ties based on having hearts left to play is also stupid since i could have had to go out to dinner or something that night


OKAY BUT YOU CLEARLY DIDN'T
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

not to mention that if it was "low" to do such a thing, mods should have been forcing non-tied placers to keep their place during unintentional ties but they never died. discrimination intentional and unintentional ties based on having hearts left to play is also stupid since i could have had to go out to dinner or something that night



Empire says

The system for tying has always been flawed, and the only thing that needs to be fixed here is possibly that when there's a tie it needs to lock in the spots not in contention (Ex. 2/3rd tie, 1st is locked and 4th can't overtake). It's just that no one has ever bothered to fix it because ties are so rare.


The attitude when someone loses a trophy because of it has always just been "That sucks. The mechanic sucks. Oh well."
deletedover 10 years
But let this thread be a less what happens when you deny Dave a chance at gold.

He puts the salt in storage for years and just waits for a chance to unleash it on epicmafia.com
Clair
over 10 years
not to mention that if it was "low" to do such a thing, mods should have been forcing non-tied placers to keep their place during unintentional ties but they never did. discriminating between intentional and unintentional ties based on having hearts left to play is also stupid since i could have had to go out to dinner or something that night
Zlake
over 10 years

Connor says

i don't think it's a low move at all. you still have to win mafia games to get there.


just bc something requires effort doesnt mean its legitimate. cheating on tests requires effort. robbing a bank requires effort.
deletedover 10 years

Edark says

Im pretty sure intentional ties has happend before that incident when connor did that


It's the first time I've ever heard of it, I might be wrong.
Edark
over 10 years
Im pretty sure intentional ties has happend before that incident when connor did that
Clair
over 10 years
i don't think it's a low move at all. you still have to win mafia games to get there.
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

well honestly in my opinion if the system allowed forced ties then they should be legal and i dunno why everyone's against it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Because, again, the mechanism is so rarely used and thus no one has bothered to fix it. Also you were the first person to ever try and force a tie because no one else thought to stoop that low to try and snipe gold before.
Edark
over 10 years
Blindly following precedents is dumb as HELL
deletedover 10 years
And yes, believe it or not, current opinion/rationale IS and SHOULD be a factor in decisions. Just because someone scrawled in down in a tablet a year ago doesn't mean it's the word of God and has to be followed until the end of time. If you have a good reason not to follow it, don't.
Clair
over 10 years
well honestly in my opinion if the system allowed forced ties then they should be legal and i dunno why everyone's against it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
deletedover 10 years

Connor says

empire, nothing you described was relevant to the decision made in the past as none of it was ever distinguished by the mods at the time. so it shouldn't be a factor in the decision for inaction this time around.


Artificially tying the round is unsporsmanlike and just in general awful, and again an exploit of a mechanism so rarely used no one has bothered to fix it.

If their rationale was not related to this, their rationale was wrong.
Owen
over 10 years

Zlake says

just because the mods didnt take into account somethings in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't now.

Zlake
over 10 years
you're literally arguing to prove that the mods from one year ago didn't properly explain why you couldn't allow a tie.
Zlake
over 10 years
just because the mods didnt take into account somethings in the past doesn't mean they shouldn't now.