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deletedover 7 years

so mods can meta and circle jerk like every game legally, but others cant occassionally?

this game was text book example of meta abuse. like 5 people meta cleared themselves and pinned it on the people not in the circle. One person using meta does not affect the outcome, but this type of group meta is really unfair for those not in the group.

I reported and requested the admins to handle it, but then expose no viod it without even looking at the games probably.. While meta abuse lacks any definition, this is very clear meta abuse by the definition they have now. Why are you guys ignoring it?....protecting your own obviously

UniversalStudios
over 7 years
Have fun getting to step 2.
UniversalStudios
over 7 years
Get friends
Meta with them
glow
over 7 years
report him
deletedover 7 years

Whitepimp007 says

This is like trying to teach townyyy grammar, except Townyyy's f_ckin one year old and only knows how to say "milk".


I have told you many times to stop insulting me. this is harassment...
Whitepimp007
over 7 years
This is like trying to teach townyyy grammar, except Townyyy's f_ckin one year old and only knows how to say "milk".
deletedover 7 years

Maldito says


expose says

If I never N1 Cody and claim meta clear each time mafia N1's him, that is meta abuse because everyone knows I wouldn't N1 him and it gives an unfair advantage (across several games).

If I N1 Cody as mafia one game and claim meta clear that game, that is NOT meta abuse because I broke meta.

Thriller was mafia and went against his stated meta, therefor it is not meta abuse. It's not against the rules to lie about meta.

I'm not sure what you don't understand mt01?


What if you never kill him and never bring it up but OTHERS meta clear you and it's true. Are they in trouble but not you?


this is the problem. meta is not really defined well enough and this needs fixed badly
Cody
over 7 years
don't n1 me
Maldito
over 7 years

expose says

If I never N1 Cody and claim meta clear each time mafia N1's him, that is meta abuse because everyone knows I wouldn't N1 him and it gives an unfair advantage (across several games).

If I N1 Cody as mafia one game and claim meta clear that game, that is NOT meta abuse because I broke meta.

Thriller was mafia and went against his stated meta, therefor it is not meta abuse. It's not against the rules to lie about meta.

I'm not sure what you don't understand mt01?


What if you never kill him and never bring it up but OTHERS meta clear you and it's true. Are they in trouble but not you?
expose
over 7 years
The game in OP isn't about Ray and Minie. I think all the mods and non-mods who chipped in have more than sufficiently explained the difference between meta and meta abuse, and why this specific game received a NV verdict.
deletedover 7 years
The bottom line is for meta abuse to occur by saying that that you dont n1 X, it requires at least 3 people to be involved. You need 1 person-X that is n1ed, one person Y that meta clears themselves of n1ing X, and person Z that can confirm that Y is meta clear and not making it up. Without Z, it can't be meta abuse I think. How else does town know to clear Y without Z? Without Z, town can either scum read or town read Y from the meta that they do not know is fake or not.
deletedover 7 years

expose says

If I never N1 Cody and claim meta clear each time mafia N1's him, that is meta abuse because everyone knows I wouldn't N1 him and it gives an unfair advantage (across several games).

If I N1 Cody as mafia one game and claim meta clear that game, that is NOT meta abuse because I broke meta.

Thriller was mafia and went against his stated meta, therefor it is not meta abuse. It's not against the rules to lie about meta.

I'm not sure what you don't understand mt01?


1. crayray did use the meta but they broke the meta even in the same round
2. how would anyone know if the meta is real or not? they only do if you are playing in groups where everyone knows this. How many people know that cray would not n1 minie, probably very few. I am friends with both of them and I thought that they would n1 each other even...

You may say that you never n1 X, but I would not believe it (and I would scum read you telling me this), as I dont know who you would n1 or not......
expose
over 7 years
If I never N1 Cody and claim meta clear each time mafia N1's him, that is meta abuse because everyone knows I wouldn't N1 him and it gives an unfair advantage (across several games).

If I N1 Cody as mafia one game and claim meta clear that game, that is NOT meta abuse because I broke meta.

Thriller was mafia and went against his stated meta, therefor it is not meta abuse. It's not against the rules to lie about meta.

I'm not sure what you don't understand mt01?
deletedover 7 years

char says

You're right mt01 it wasn't n1 that cray refused to kill minie. It was n2 or 3. Minie was the only uncced clear alive and yet cray wanted to kill an unclear despite her partner saying "kill minie" Which resulted in a nk. So you're wrong about them not discussing


You are either making things up to fit your own argument or can't read. Here is the game: https://epicmafia.com/topic/84015

cray's partner cced cop. They were planning to guilt cray and lynch cray and leave cop cc's until the last day, as the cop would basically have her as guilty. With this being the case, all town were clear, except the cop and they could have killed minie or any of the blues.

Minie was tunneling the real cop and her hammering in cops would mean she would lose and crayray would win: 11:22

Crayray played this game to win and to do this over minie clearly. The nl was a mistake, and it did not affect the game. You can see that it was after kicks by the length of the talking and their reactions. they could not unvote and correct it, and both mafia were equally responsible. Cray's partner, the cop cc, killed minie the following day even thought she would mishammer, so if anyone was "throwing for minie" it was him...If he listened to crayray and not killed minie, who tunneled the cop, mafia would have won this game and minie would lose
deletedover 7 years
you darn circlejerkers
deletedover 7 years
I dont think there is any need to post further on this matter. Have a nice day :)))
deletedover 7 years

mt01 says


Edark says

This is kinda why they both got honest meta violations after I saw a few examples(after they made said promise) of how they made some suboptimal play (even forcing nk at one point) to avoid breaking said promises.


The night where they forced a no kill was not n1. Mafia voted at the same time and did not discuss who to kill. It looked like an honest mistake to me. Killing minie there was the only reason that town won that game too, as she was tunneling town and mafia knew this. everyone has made mistakes and forced nl before.....

I would love to hear other examples of where you like think that cray threw for minie and for you to even refute what I said here or the specific game that I you mentioned in pm and I refuted here:

https://epicmafia.com/topic/84015


You're right mt01 it wasn't n1 that cray refused to kill minie. It was n2 or 3. Minie was the only uncced clear alive and yet cray wanted to kill an unclear despite her partner saying "kill minie" Which resulted in a nk. So you're wrong about them not discussing
deletedover 7 years

Edark says

This is kinda why they both got honest meta violations after I saw a few examples(after they made said promise) of how they made some suboptimal play (even forcing nk at one point) to avoid breaking said promises.


The night where they forced a no kill was not n1. Mafia voted at the same time and did not discuss who to kill. It looked like an honest mistake to me. Killing minie there was the only reason that town won that game too, as she was tunneling town and mafia knew this. everyone has made mistakes and forced nl before.....

I would love to hear other examples of where you like think that cray threw for minie and for you to even refute what I said here or the specific game that I you mentioned in pm and I refuted here:

https://epicmafia.com/topic/84015
deletedover 7 years

Edark says

Crayray n1'd minie a game which caused minie to flip out(you were even in the groupchat when this happend so Im not sure why you're acting like you dont know this) and crayray promised to not n1 minie again or use the argument "I would never n1 minie" again if she killed her. Minie also stated in the chat how she would never n1 one of her friends.


I am "friends" with minie, and she has n1ed me many times and me in reverse. Minie overeacts when she losses a game with "friends". I was kind of avoiding her for this, because she flips outs and then I am mad at her for a week. However, these things are said in the heat of the moment and they do not reflect what actually happens in the long run I think. Also this incident of threats happened in the middle of the round, so it would only affect like 5-10 games at most by date and even less by it lacking that situation. How many people running get mad and freak out at people that cost them games? I even did it last round that I ran in my last game when i was misshammered.
juke
over 7 years

Escurai says

who is oath


i've been asking him since he made the account and re-made the account
Edark
over 7 years
Also no way Im adding you on Skype, you can PM how much you want tho.
Edark
over 7 years

mt01 says


char says

tbh there was no circlejerking in that game ares died n1 i don't even know oaths main as shown in the GY and thrilla is.. thrilla lmao as for the meta i said it as a joke day1 specifically for you LOL

Mt stop trying so hard. Meta is not against the rules Meta abuse is. Your friends used meta over several games not just 1. If you think there is meta abuse here report me with a pattern. You're the only one who looks dumb in the end


Crayray used fake meta several times in games with minie and her alts. They also meta cleared themselves of n1ing her once.

Edarks' meta description said that meta requires it to affect a game, yet no one can give a single example there how their meta affected a single game. Additionally they used fake meta too, so again where is the line with what is acceptable...


Honest meta needs to be proven over a span of multiple games, you cant just take 1 single game and use that as proof. Thats what differentiates honest meta from regular meta.

Crayray n1'd minie a game which caused minie to flip out(you were even in the groupchat when this happend so Im not sure why you're acting like you dont know this) and crayray promised to not n1 minie again or use the argument "I would never n1 minie" again if she killed her. Minie also stated in the chat how she would never n1 one of her friends.

This is kinda why they both got honest meta violations after I saw a few examples(after they made said promise) of how they made some suboptimal play (even forcing nk at one point) to avoid breaking said promises.
Escurai
over 7 years
who is oath
deletedover 7 years

char says

tbh there was no circlejerking in that game ares died n1 i don't even know oaths main as shown in the GY and thrilla is.. thrilla lmao as for the meta i said it as a joke day1 specifically for you LOL

Mt stop trying so hard. Meta is not against the rules Meta abuse is. Your friends used meta over several games not just 1. If you think there is meta abuse here report me with a pattern. You're the only one who looks dumb in the end


Crayray used fake meta several times in games with minie and her alts. They also meta cleared themselves of n1ing her once.

Edarks' meta description said that meta requires it to affect a game, yet no one can give a single example there how their meta affected a single game. Additionally they used fake meta too, so again where is the line with what is acceptable...
deletedover 7 years

harodihg says

notice the difference here:

"I didn't kill Steve. he's my best friend!" -in actuality this person may or may not have killed Steve but has killed Steve in the past and made this argument thus making it something to ponder

"I never CC cop as mafia" -this person legitimately never CC's cop as mafia and thus will always win the CC, this isn't fair


How can a normal person distinguish between 1 and 2 in a typical game? They can't unless most of the town plays together every single game. Someone may in fact be 2, but I would not know that and I would probably scum read them for the meta or I would factor it out if I town read them for other stuff.

Examples: 1. X and Y play together a lot, but the rest of the town is different each time. Everytime X is N1ed, Y meta clears themselves. Town then has to decide if its fake or real meta

2. X, Y, Z play together a lot with varying other town. Everytime X is n1ed, Y and Z meta clear themselves and each other. They can then argue in support of each other as being clear. If one is pr, then this will really help them. If one is not clear, town may view both as buddying mafia.

Anyways I can see how 2 might be meta abuse, but I do not think 1 is. 1 to me is part of typical scum hunting.
deletedover 7 years
tbh there was no circlejerking in that game ares died n1 i don't even know oaths main as shown in the GY and thrilla is.. thrilla lmao as for the meta i said it as a joke day1 specifically for you LOL

Mt stop trying so hard. Meta is not against the rules Meta abuse is. Your friends used meta over several games not just 1. If you think there is meta abuse here report me with a pattern. You're the only one who looks dumb in the end