I challenged Edark and whitepimp to give me one game where crayray meta clearing themselves actually affected the hammer and game results. White did not reply, but I got this from Edark: “RRRAAAYYY... "Fear you know i wouldn't kill download she is running"

I want to discuss this game here now to refute this claim. The game starts with janned cop and the jan guilting the law. Somehow the sheriff shot the law and so they had 2 mafia day 1 and no cop. Download was journalist and RRRAAA blue. The game ended in a 3way with rrraa, feardarkness, and fade. Fear basically was given the hammer here, so fade and rrraa were ccs.

Edark argues that RRRAAA saying that they would not kill download because they were running was meta abuse that made the game unwinnable for fade. RRRAAA used meta twice the last day: 1) I would not push and set up for tomorrow 2) I would not kill download because they are running. FADE ALSO USED META THE PRIOR DAY TO CLEAR THEMSELVES(See 11:20): Clear me because I would never let a innocent the lawyer.

If you ignore all the meta from both sides, Fade was the hammer I think. On day1, RRRAAA was afc most of the game, and they try harder as mafia, so this is a kind of towntell for them. They also claimed blue at day start like they always do as blue. Fade on the other hand fossed like all towns, and he jumped on Nightwing’s lynch day2. At 12:02 he started setting up for the next day in spite of the fact that he had been leading on the current lynch…scumtell. RRRAAA on the other hand seemed to think that the game would end there. If you ignore the meta, I think that fade would be the hammer.

The meta can push the game either way tbh, as meta is often viewed as non-genuine and the rest of the game is always factored in to make the decision. Personally, I would have viewed RRRAAY’s meta as very fake and a scumtell. The cop was janned, so download was clear. If the journalist was not clear, she would have killed the sheriff instead for sure. Download was clear though, so I would view this meta as fake. The sheriff shot the innocent so they were not a great clear, and download could read cray if they were mafia. Hence, I would expect RRRAAY to kill Download there too as mafia. Hence, I would find her meta as very fake and a scum tell. I actually kind of found Fade’s meta as genuine. I also would scumread how cray like completely cleared fear so fast that last day. I would have to ask a lot more questions there, but then again I slow role every decision to get better reads ☺

Fear is a good player and he considered everything to make the right hammer here. I think that he explains his hammer actually at 14:50. He explained that her meta the prior day was fake. I am sure that other things like him setting up for the next day after jumping on a vote was another factor here though.

I disagree with edark that Crayray’s meta influenced this game. Her meta was kind of a scum tell and it followed meta from the cc. Fear also explained his hammer as due to him viewing fade’s meta as fake. Fear is not like good friends with Crayray or minie, so real I doubt that he would just believe Crayray’s meta there…

Feel free to discuss this game and if meta really influenced the results. I do not think it did. I challenge all mods and admins to find a game where crayray’s meta really influenced the outcome of the game in favor of minie…..