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meta/circle jerking

deletedover 7 years

so mods can meta and circle jerk like every game legally, but others cant occassionally?

this game was text book example of meta abuse. like 5 people meta cleared themselves and pinned it on the people not in the circle. One person using meta does not affect the outcome, but this type of group meta is really unfair for those not in the group.

I reported and requested the admins to handle it, but then expose no viod it without even looking at the games probably.. While meta abuse lacks any definition, this is very clear meta abuse by the definition they have now. Why are you guys ignoring it?....protecting your own obviously

deletedover 7 years
thrilla meta clear
over 7 years

mt01 says


sinead says


mt01 says


sinead says


mt01 says

meow :)


meow meow! xD rawr :3


meow. *hides from the lion*


you're too cute I wouldn't hurt you theres no need to hide :)


lions eat kitties. Maybe if I meow with a very deep voice and puff out my fur...


you are so funny I love you <3
deletedover 7 years
That is the opposite to meta abuse
deletedover 7 years
Lying about meta is okay.
deletedover 7 years
I wish that there was some way to really hammer in the idea that you're extremely dumb and that you should just trust anything that requires even a modicum of thought to someone else because I don't think you're capable of understanding why you're wrong

you're reporting someone for lying about meta so here's your answer:

meta is allowed
"honest" or "true" meta isn't when it's verifiable that they are always honest with it
deletedover 7 years
I just defined the meta rules for you and explained what is okay and what isn't, I don't know what else there is to be confused about.
deletedover 7 years

harodihg says

https://epicmafia.com/report/214996

https://epicmafia.com/report/215026

"It is just a clear question to mods, they should decide if the concept of "player X is dead so player Y is clear" is allowed or not."

it's allowed

what isn't allowed is actually _always_ doing something because then you have an impenetrable defense, such as saying "I never CC cop as mafia"

the game is based around lying, townyyy is upset that someone lied to her

baffling.


Personally, I do not mind meta, as we need to to play the game, as i said many times. This game, however was extreme, as groups should not be able to circle jerk legally.

The thing that really bothers me is that meta abuse rules are way too vague and not clearly defined so mods can stretch what the rules say to vio people they do not like and no vio the people they like. The rules need to be clarified. I think that this game is clear meta abuse that affected the outcome of the game, which they all said was the rule with mInie/crayray. Now they say that it has to be numerous games, because it affects multiple mods.
deletedover 7 years
You've filed like 50 reports over someone lying to you in mafia because of "meta"

do you know how pants on head r'etarded you are townyyy?
deletedover 7 years
notice the difference here:

"I didn't kill Steve. he's my best friend!" -in actuality this person may or may not have killed Steve but has killed Steve in the past and made this argument thus making it something to ponder

"I never CC cop as mafia" -this person legitimately never CC's cop as mafia and thus will always win the CC, this isn't fair
deletedover 7 years

ZeroRTV says

It is just a clear question to mods, they should decide if the concept of "player X is dead so player Y is clear" is allowed or not.

if allowed, no one gets vios. if not, everyone who uses it gets vios. there is no requirement for repeated actions etc.


I agree. i have been trying to get time with an admin to discuss this very thing, but they ignore me. I have asked several mods where the line is of what is allowed or not and they dont really know.

Meta abuse needs clearly defined, if you want to disqualify people from a round or even from trophying for a year. People should get 1 warning for it first too. As the rules stand right now its vague, and I think its mainly just used as a way to get rid of people they do not like. The rules are so vague that they can give it to anyone and then it cant be overturned even if its bs. They can also refuse to give it to people that clearly did something so bad because again the rules are VAGUE
deletedover 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/report/214996

https://epicmafia.com/report/215026

"It is just a clear question to mods, they should decide if the concept of "player X is dead so player Y is clear" is allowed or not."

it's allowed

what isn't allowed is actually _always_ doing something because then you have an impenetrable defense, such as saying "I never CC cop as mafia"

the game is based around lying, townyyy is upset that someone lied to her

baffling.
deletedover 7 years
It is just a clear question to mods, they should decide if the concept of "player X is dead so player Y is clear" is allowed or not.

if allowed, no one gets vios. if not, everyone who uses it gets vios. there is no requirement for repeated actions etc.
deletedover 7 years

Whitepimp007 says

Using meta isn't against the rules, meta abuse is. Unlike your example, where speeding is always illegal, and it has nothing to do with being a cop. You can clear someone based on meta. That's not against the rules. You can't always clear someone based on the exact same clearly defined meta, that's meta abuse.

Your comment shows you didn't understand my message. Go read it again.


I think meta should be allowed, because you cannot really block it. People can do it without naming it etc.

But I really cannot understand why would a violation be different if it is done once or more. If you cheat once, you get a cheating vio. There is no "if you cheat once, its cheating, but if you cheat more, its cheat abuse." I know the quoatation I made up i stupid but I think your way of handling meta abuse is not different.

Also, how can you stop a meta being meta abuse anyways? Lets say I know player X does not kill player Y. Everytime (not just once lol) I see player Y is dead, I'll know X is town. I mean if there is a meta, there will be meta abuse. IT is 100%.


To be fair I did not check the game, but I sense that mods are trying to create this nonsense "meta" vs" meta abuse" difference to save themselves/their friends from vios.
deletedover 7 years

sinead says


mt01 says


sinead says


mt01 says

meow :)


meow meow! xD rawr :3


meow. *hides from the lion*


you're too cute I wouldn't hurt you theres no need to hide :)


lions eat kitties. Maybe if I meow with a very deep voice and puff out my fur...
over 7 years

mt01 says


sinead says


mt01 says

meow :)


meow meow! xD rawr :3


meow. *hides from the lion*


you're too cute I wouldn't hurt you theres no need to hide :)
over 7 years

mt01 says

https://epicmafia.com/game/5868105


nice d1 hammer
deletedover 7 years

sinead says


mt01 says

meow :)


meow meow! xD rawr :3


meow. *hides from the lion*
deletedover 7 years
[quote=Whitepimp007]You can't always clear someone based on the exact same clearly defined meta, that's meta abuse./quote]

TBH this statement is very risky. We all use "meta" to read people and scum hunt. Like I know that certain people when they are mafia ISP the whole game or like push on people a certain way. From this I suspect them as scum. This is unstated meta abuse by your definition but its clearly just scum hunting. By your definition its meta abuse though, because I judge them this way every time they act this way.

Where is the line between scum hunting and meta abuse?

to me meta abuse should be using meta in a way to make the game an advantage to you. This was clearly done in this case when there were like 5 meta clears by friends in 1 game...
deletedover 7 years

Whitepimp007 says

Using meta isn't against the rules, meta abuse is. Unlike your example, where speeding is always illegal, and it has nothing to do with being a cop. You can clear someone based on meta. That's not against the rules. You can't always clear someone based on the exact same clearly defined meta, that's meta abuse.

Your comment shows you didn't understand my message. Go read it again.


So you say that you can't always clear someone on the exact same meta in multiple games. You argue that minie was meta clearing crayray in multiple games, as crayray would not n1 them. However Minie was dead and the others in the game were always different people so they would not know what meta is real or not and they did not participate in multiple games?

One person, possibly fake meta clearing themselves in a handful of games, did not affect the outcomes of the games. HOWEVER IN THIS CASE, META CLEARLY AFFECTED THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME. When 5 people are "meta clear" then its like very obvious who the mafia are, and this makes it unfair for mafia clearly...CHEATING
over 7 years

mt01 says

meow :)


meow meow! xD rawr :3
deletedover 7 years
The best part about this Mt is that he can be..... lying @.@
deletedover 7 years
Meta is unavoidable.
over 7 years
Using meta isn't against the rules, meta abuse is. Unlike your example, where speeding is always illegal, and it has nothing to do with being a cop. You can clear someone based on meta. That's not against the rules. You can't always clear someone based on the exact same clearly defined meta, that's meta abuse.

Your comment shows you didn't understand my message. Go read it again.
deletedover 7 years
how is circle jerking/meta to this extent allowed even in a single game? At minimum its ogi i guess. It makes the game impossible to win for others outside the circle. if you want to do this play unranked. It should not be tolerated in ranked, and especially not in competition

ohh officer I can speed once because i am a cop.... BS. Rules are here for a reason. if anyone else did this, they would have a vio. CHEATING IS CHEATING AND THIS WAS CHEATING. Its really acceptable to cheat in 1 game as long as you dont cheat in multiple???
over 7 years
This is why we ban mods from ranked games