ngl, i trophied just so i could comp HELL YEAH. last round was fun
on a serious note, that setup can perfectly have a d1 shoot. 1/3 chance you shoot a maf, if it's hooker (do the HELL YEAH strat!) the game is pretty much auto. before shooting you can ask the prs to claim as prs but that's optional. if you dont ask prs to claim and then shoot a mafia, only the cop claims, nilla can cc, but the mafias dont know each other so they're pretty much fuc'ked in the there and funny things can happen like 2 of the mafias cc the cop! there are lots of different possibilities to play that setup. if you don't like it, don't play it.
also, like 80% of the hipfires last round weren't reported. to the other 20%: man up. (not including situations where people shot based on grudge)
i don't think he knew that he was playing against his win condition by hipfiring (ppl tend to think it's "just trolling") so i'd note it and explain why hipfiring is gt to him, but he definitely hipfired
The intention for gamethrowing in comp matters significantly less, which is why it's moderated differently than red heart where intention and experience matters more
if you're an experienced player and flip cop, and the only pr in the game and you intentionally check no one two nights in a row but you try really hard to win the game is that a no vio/ arguable note Cody?
In all fairness, they just don't want to give a vio because abc filed the report after scrounging. That's the real truth here, but expose and Petri clearly didn't know that, and just made a poor decision.
someone should find thst old hip firing thread, where I already stated that if someone gamethrows but then tries really really hard to win after throwing the game it's still gamethrowing lol
The line that I think is important to draw between hipfiring as a GT vio and "hipfiring" after gathering reads is the distinguishing factor here, in my opinion. I almost always shoot/lynch D1 on sheriff because I hate when blacksmith gets hooked and I get sacked into D2. What dzanek did, I felt, was more akin to me asking for scumhunting to be done the entire day and gathering self votes for a quick shot/hammer combo to hammer the day, than a 10-15 second quickdraw into shooting someone that he felt like shooting for kicks.
If he hadn't put in genuine effort (no matter what he shot) for the rest of the game, then I would have almost surely applied a GT violation here and called it a day.
Look, I'm all for hipfiring Cody, you know I am, but in doing that you are essentially saying, 'Look lads, if you take the rest of the game seriously, you can hip fire, we don't mind!' It would be like me cheating for the start of the game and then continuing to play the game out normally. You wouldn't just ignore the cheating. I understand it's nowhere near as severe an example, but I'm just giving you some perspective albeit extreme.
As for the latter half of your post, I agree with you.
I didn't even read the other thread and I'm just making the point that it is hipfire without a shadow of a doubt.
If people check mod actions I actually decided to note this dude but realized it might be better to wait for Cody's input. But it didnt really matter, we kinda came to the same conclusion.
By "making his intention to win the game clear" I mean that the rest of his play was played in a way that reflected it.
I'm not arguing that the shot wasn't a hipfire. It was. Shooting someone that hadn't said anything is irrefutably "hipfire." The distinction that's being drawn here is dzanek has a reasonable enough case for his shot that doesn't warrant us giving him an automatic violation for it. In this gray area, we look at the rest of the game in question to determine whether or not he was playing to win. I believe that he did, and as such am not overturning the verdict to a game throwing violation.
At the end of the day, the player reporting the game wasn't one of the people present for the game itself. When no one in the actual game felt that what he did was illegitimate, and it looks like dzanek was playing towards his win condition the entire game, I am very unwilling to give him a violation for game throwing. If one of the players in the game felt that that his actions made the game illegitimate and wished to report the game at the time, I think there would be more reason to consider a violation, but given that what we have is a case of report scrounging rather than genuine concern for the rules, I think the conversation is done.
This is a borderline case. The action was taken before the player that was shot had a chance to contribute to the game. Most of the other players, however, had talked or acted (via chat lines or votes), and had generated some amount of alignment-telling content. dzanek picked up on this and took a PoE shot that was neither based on grudge nor the desire to randomly shoot someone (based on the explanation that he gave afterward), and as such made his intent to shoot mafia and win the game clear.
This sort of action is certainly borderline in competitive games and should not be encouraged, and as such we have applied a note on the original report and sent him a message explaining why this kind of play is unacceptable.
