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Excluding first victim from win/los

over 8 years

I know title isnt much explanatory, here is what I am trying to say, in games that start with night, when a townie dies at first night as a first victim, he has zero affect on game, either win or lose. Basically he has no impact who will win or lose whole game. Do you think it will be more accurate for that player if you dont count those games for the first night victim.

If game starts with night, and as a townie you are the first victim, you have no impact for the whole game played yet you receive win or lose, will it be accurate not the count those games?
15
Count Them
9
Do Not Count Them
deletedover 8 years
Yes good idea next time we can all conspire en masse and N1 every one of Pranay's running accounts
over 8 years

Burial says

why? you didnt do anything


Neither did OJ
over 8 years
celebrity setups are basically the only ones where you can make an informed decision on n1
over 8 years
why? you didnt do anything
over 8 years
Yes. ^
over 8 years

Devante says

You, the person still has a hidden impact over the peoples actions based on several factors, which would influence others actions on or against you (cop check, doc as e, mafia kill ect)



It's really late do I ain't gonna go in too deep but just trust me you're wrong, shrub


are you talking about meta stuff? do you really deserve points for getting n1ed by someone who always n1s you and then the town lynches them? equally do you deserve to lose as mafia because you were cop checked by someone who always cop checks you?
over 8 years
It'd increase corruption in comp games if it was introduced. Imagine manipulating points by N1'ing someone.
over 8 years
You, the person still has a hidden impact over the peoples actions based on several factors, which would influence others actions on or against you (cop check, doc as e, mafia kill ect)



It's really late do I ain't gonna go in too deep but just trust me you're wrong, shrub
over 8 years

Shrub says


ChilledOut says

Hello.

The main issue with this suggestion is that the first person to die majorly impacts the game.

That particular "victim's" role is gone from the game, and if anyone else's role were to be gone, the game situation would be different.

Everyone's death affects the game differently, so, ideally, the game outcome should be included into their statistics as well.

Thank you for your suggestion though!


Bad post.

A person and their in-game role are different. You have no control over what role you get therefore your role dying has nothing to do with you dying night one.


Actually your post is the bad one u idiot lol
over 8 years
mr chilledout has expressed two reasons y being n1d should affect one's pie and comperino points:

1- being n1d affects the game. this is true but seems irrelephant cuz the primary argument is that when one is n1d, their actions had no influence on the game, so they shouldn't be credited with the game's result

2- ppl might n1 runners and make them sad. there is a strong culture against n1ing runners as it is: if u want to make a runner lose/salty, n1ing them a lot is still a good way to go, except ull porbly end up metafosed and lunched in a good table, which helps the runner anyway. making n1s not count might actually make n1 culture healthier, and runners will be less salty that nob town lost game after they were fearkilled.

u say the cons outweigh the pros on this one, so could u provide some more pros that r coherent and preferably relephant ;)
deletedover 8 years
he can tell to his friends who are mafias tho
over 8 years
lol.
over 8 years

harodihg says

What didn't you understand about what I told you 4 months ago?


I dont understand your message yeah, u can explain if u wish
deletedover 8 years

Shrub says


ChilledOut says

Hello.

The main issue with this suggestion is that the first person to die majorly impacts the game.

That particular "victim's" role is gone from the game, and if anyone else's role were to be gone, the game situation would be different.

Everyone's death affects the game differently, so, ideally, the game outcome should be included into their statistics as well.

Thank you for your suggestion though!


Bad post.

A person and their in-game role are different. You have no control over what role you get therefore your role dying has nothing to do with you dying night one.


I'd imagine this would do numbers to people who are running too. How long do you think it would take people to complete the end of the round in first place if they're continually N1'ed by people who don't want them to win?

There are many reasons why this should not be implemented.

The cons simply outnumber the pros in this one.

Trust me, it's been debated before and I've been on both sides. It's for the best that N1 deaths be included on your pie charts.
over 8 years

ChilledOut says

Hello.

The main issue with this suggestion is that the first person to die majorly impacts the game.

That particular "victim's" role is gone from the game, and if anyone else's role were to be gone, the game situation would be different.

Everyone's death affects the game differently, so, ideally, the game outcome should be included into their statistics as well.

Thank you for your suggestion though!


Bad post.

A person and their in-game role are different. You have no control over what role you get therefore your role dying has nothing to do with you dying night one.
over 8 years
Count them and have a separate stat for night one deaths so people feel good about themselves for it
deletedover 8 years
Because revealing has no impact on the game right ?
deletedover 8 years
yeah this has been raised before but i can't be done for a variety of reasons. the solution is to play more dawnstart/daystart setups.
deletedover 8 years
Hello.

The main issue with this suggestion is that the first person to die majorly impacts the game.

That particular "victim's" role is gone from the game, and if anyone else's role were to be gone, the game situation would be different.

Everyone's death affects the game differently, so, ideally, the game outcome should be included into their statistics as well.

Thank you for your suggestion though!
deletedover 8 years
bullying is only allowed if its funny
deletedover 8 years
shut up bully
deletedover 8 years
What didn't you understand about what I told you 4 months ago?
over 8 years
An Up message that is greater than 5 but less than 2000
over 8 years
lol, did I make grammar mistake somewhere?
over 8 years
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