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SirDude
about 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1195485

I'm not sure what got my setup blacklisted but I don't think it deserved it as the win rates and strategies had yet to mature. The setup is a bit deep for a 5 player game and it really suffers from new/players who don't read the strategy.

deletedabout 9 years
It's made for farming wins on obscure roles so you can give/receive stickers of those roles. Kino would be proud.
deletedabout 9 years
This is a sticker farm.
DrakeJr
about 9 years
Start the timer!!! 3 hours and 30 minutes until it's free
xxerox
about 9 years
The point is if you can cc as sniper or you can't . This is no pointfarm.
deletedabout 9 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/4573401

Autowin for mafia with judge shot. The politician vegged, but it would be autowin.
SirDude
about 9 years
Are you willing to elaborate? I'm not saying you need to have played the setup a lot to have an opinion, But what sre you basing your opinion on?

It's kind of uninformative to say a setup is bad because the winrates bad, Can you explain why the setup has a bad winrate? It it broken or just unbalanced?
deletedabout 9 years
Sorry dude but it's a terrible setup
SirDude
about 9 years
-Doublepost-
SirDude
about 9 years

eris says

1. 80% of players win almost 80% of the time. Surely you see how awful that is?




I forgot to also point out that it wouldn't be 80% of the players winning points because of the Politician isn't always townsided, In fact the Politician can get more points if they win with the Sniper then Town. The Poli isn't able to choose what side wins without gamethrowing but a good Politician can win almost any game.
SirDude
about 9 years

Skillz says

You guys are making a big deal over nothing, the problem is solved plus I'm pretty sure that no one cares about the votes in an unranked game anyways.

This thread should be locked since there's no point of arguing over nothing anymore.




That's a bit dismissive.

Anyway I played another game which is a great example of why I think the winrates unbalanced: https://epicmafia.com/game/4560155

Again it appears no one bothered to read the strategy, If they did town would have known the Sniper lost when he hipfired on Poli. Instead everyone just sat there confused and bored.

I really don't get why there have been so many players who just don't respond.
deletedabout 9 years

TheEntiretyOfAsgard says

How about you blacklist it just for noobs?


lol
TheEntiretyOfAsgard
about 9 years
How about you blacklist it just for noobs? This looks like a fun and skill-testing setup that I would definitely approve of playing ranked.

There's no reason to hurt veterans because of newbies.
deletedabout 9 years

Prayer says


Then they shouldn't use their 10 voting power to neg bomb it, and rating does matter, nobody wants to play a setup that's -20 votes in unranked.

And what do ya know, after this thread was posted it went back to its previous rating, guess DrakeJr didn't want to explain himself?


You guys are making a big deal over nothing, the problem is solved plus I'm pretty sure that no one cares about the votes in an unranked game anyways.

This thread should be locked since there's no point of arguing over nothing anymore.
DrakeJr
about 9 years
i was the one to negbomb it, but only because i thought it was unblacklisted. i wasn't the one to blacklist it considering it was blacklisted 2 months ago.
SirDude
about 9 years
To be fair DrakeJr said he wasn't the one to negbomb it but that he removed it.
Prayer
about 9 years
Then they shouldn't use their 10 voting power to neg bomb it, and rating does matter, nobody wants to play a setup that's -20 votes in unranked.

And what do ya know, after this thread was posted it went back to its previous rating, guess DrakeJr didn't want to explain himself?
deletedabout 9 years

MasterCheif says


DrakeJr says

a lot of noobs play a lot of setups, this one however has 80% of the players winning 80% of the time.


that's a pointfarm. Also i'm not posting in this thread again so you can find another idiot to repeat the same thing over and over for 3 straight days


I've provided evidence of how you're wrong, but it was your own choice to be ignorant and post the same thing multiple times.

Why do mods feel the need to negbomb setup that they blacklist?


Because they think its bad? Or because its a pointfarm/blacklisted therefore the rating doesn't matter?
MasterCheif
about 9 years

DrakeJr says

a lot of noobs play a lot of setups, this one however has 80% of the players winning 80% of the time.


that's a pointfarm. Also i'm not posting in this thread again so you can find another idiot to repeat the same thing over and over for 3 straight days


I've provided evidence of how you're wrong, but it was your own choice to be ignorant and post the same thing multiple times.

Why do mods feel the need to negbomb setup that they blacklist?
SirDude
about 9 years
You said you blacklisted it not for the winrate but for being a pointfarm, Which implies pointfarms don't have to have unbalanced winrates or payouts.

I asked what causes the winrate to be so low and you claimed that the Sniper couldn't win if everyone just massclaimed. This has been pointed out to be objectively wrong.

I'm not asking you to explore every nuance of the setup before making an opinion, I just want a more substantial explanation on how the setup is unbalanced/a pointfarm.
DrakeJr
about 9 years
a lot of noobs play a lot of setups, this one however has 80% of the players winning 80% of the time.


that's a pointfarm. Also i'm not posting in this thread again so you can find another idiot to repeat the same thing over and over for 3 straight days
MasterCheif
about 9 years

DrakeJr says

Sure.




Can you please stop being an ignorant mod, and read what I've said? "The point payout is ruined by noobs that can't play, which is hardly a reason to blacklist it.

Once again, why do mods feel they need to negbomb setups that they blacklist?
deletedabout 9 years
Seems like a good setup to flip mafia
DrakeJr
about 9 years
Sure.

SirDude
about 9 years

DrakeJr says

so basically it's still a pointfarm.


Care to elaborate or is it too self evident to warrant explanation?
MasterCheif
about 9 years

DrakeJr says


SirDude says


DrakeJr says

Everyone mass claims at the start of the day.

Sniper cannot win it's not complex


That actually never happened in any game I played but you are forgetting about the Politician.

If everyone massclaimed D1 then the Sniper would not shoot and CC Snoop, whether of not the Sniper is lynched the Politician has a 50% of losing on that lynch and thus has a reason to CC Judge.

If the Town mislynches then the Sniper can shoot a town D2 then the game boils down to what the Politicians alignment is.

That is assuming everyone actually massclaimed.



so basically it's still a pointfarm.


No? It's not in any way a pointfarm. It's a fun, small setup with a third party role that can be game changing. The point payout is ruined by noobs that can't play, which is hardly a reason to blacklist it.