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SirDude
about 9 years

https://epicmafia.com/setup/1195485

I'm not sure what got my setup blacklisted but I don't think it deserved it as the win rates and strategies had yet to mature. The setup is a bit deep for a 5 player game and it really suffers from new/players who don't read the strategy.

DrakeJr
about 9 years

SirDude says


DrakeJr says

Everyone mass claims at the start of the day.

Sniper cannot win it's not complex


That actually never happened in any game I played but you are forgetting about the Politician.

If everyone massclaimed D1 then the Sniper would not shoot and CC Snoop, whether of not the Sniper is lynched the Politician has a 50% of losing on that lynch and thus has a reason to CC Judge.

If the Town mislynches then the Sniper can shoot a town D2 then the game boils down to what the Politicians alignment is.

That is assuming everyone actually massclaimed.



so basically it's still a pointfarm.
SirDude
about 9 years

DrakeJr says

Everyone mass claims at the start of the day.

Sniper cannot win it's not complex


That actually never happened in any game I played but you are forgetting about the Politician.

If everyone massclaimed D1 then the Sniper would not shoot and CC Snoop, whether of not the Sniper is lynched the Politician has a 50% of losing on that lynch and thus has a reason to CC Judge.

If the Town mislynches then the Sniper can shoot a town D2 then the game boils down to what the Politicians alignment is.

That is assuming everyone actually massclaimed.
tea
about 9 years
sorry mods hate fun
deletedabout 9 years
throw in a spy
MasterCheif
about 9 years

DrakeJr says


Sniper cannot win it's not complex


Honestly, where the hell did you get this from? This statement alone proves that you haven't examined the setup enough.

And can you answer my question about why mods neg bomb setups that they blacklist such as this one?
DrakeJr
about 9 years
Everyone mass claims at the start of the day.

Sniper cannot win it's not complex
SirDude
about 9 years
But if it's not the winrate couldn't you lock the point payout to something more reasonable?

What causes it to be so unbalanced, assuming you hipfire at start you have a 1/4 chance to autolose as sniper that alone wouldn't explain how the winrate is so unbalanced.
DrakeJr
about 9 years
it's blacklisted not for the winrate but because it's a pointfarm setup.
SirDude
about 9 years
Setups with winrates and payouts much closer to 50/50 have been put on/off the blacklist for being pointfarms, awful, or some other reason.

Is it impossible for a setups winrate to be dragged down due to a lack of understanding how to play it?


DrakeJr says

You can continue to play it unrank if you really like it




Like Prayer experienced unranked is full of players who don't care or won't read strategy. It also won't help that it got negbombed by players who never played it.
DrakeJr
about 9 years

SirDude says

1. To be fair the with rate for town hovered around 70% for most of its history and that was without a written strategy.

2. The point payout was even for the entire setups history as it was blacklisted the moment the point payout changed.

3. Honestly that is a big understatement especially that dice roll. A sniper hipfiring at start is a 1d4 roll which turns to a 1d3 when Gallis outs, Not shooting D1 turns the shot into 1d2 but means the Snoop has a 1d5 chance to spot your gun. At the same time the Politician's alignment is a soft variable that is hard to account for at any given moment.

This is just the tip but as you can see there are far more "decision factors" then you say.


Maybe the setup is just too much to take in for a 5 man game without a very well written strategy. For example it wasn't uncommon for players to not understand why the Gallis should out D1 and be lynched or why there was a Snoop in the setup.

Players not knowing how to play the setup only accounted for so much though. Newbs, trolls, mutes, and short attention spans are what Sniper winrate got dragged down like in Prayers game: https://epicmafia.com/game/4555728


it's not getting unblacklisted because it's not balanced.

You can continue to play it unrank if you really like it
mayMT
about 9 years

SirDude says

Since when did a ranked setup need to have a "balanced" win rate, What is the standard which this setup fails to meet?



Every blacklisted setup IIRC is that way because of the unbalanced win rate in proportion to the point payout (which makes point farms). If you play this setup, you're 80% guaranteed 40 points. Does someone really have to explain why that's not okay?

It's played more than 50 times and has a crazily unbalanced winrate. No one is going to argue with you about why it's blacklisted - because it's objectively obvious.
SirDude
about 9 years
1. To be fair the with rate for town hovered around 70% for most of its history and that was without a written strategy.

2. The point payout was even for the entire setups history as it was blacklisted the moment the point payout changed.

3. Honestly that is a big understatement especially that dice roll. A sniper hipfiring at start is a 1d4 roll which turns to a 1d3 when Gallis outs, Not shooting D1 turns the shot into 1d2 but means the Snoop has a 1d5 chance to spot your gun. At the same time the Politician's alignment is a soft variable that is hard to account for at any given moment.

This is just the tip but as you can see there are far more "decision factors" then you say.


Maybe the setup is just too much to take in for a 5 man game without a very well written strategy. For example it wasn't uncommon for players to not understand why the Gallis should out D1 and be lynched or why there was a Snoop in the setup.

Players not knowing how to play the setup only accounted for so much though. Newbs, trolls, mutes, and short attention spans are what Sniper winrate got dragged down like in Prayers game: https://epicmafia.com/game/4555728
deletedabout 9 years
1. 80% of players win almost 80% of the time. Surely you see how awful that is?
2. Heavily disproportionate payouts like that consistently promote cheating to exploit the point differential.
3. There's actually no skill, I would have as much success rolling a 1D4 and consulting a table to determine my moves on that setup as trying to play it "intelligently."

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SirDude
about 9 years
Since when did a ranked setup need to have a "balanced" win rate, What is the standard which this setup fails to meet?

I kind of doubt all the people who -1 it in the past day or so actually played the setup as this was the only game found: https://epicmafia.com/game/4555728

Honestly that game is actually a good sample of how many players played this setup.
Prayer
about 9 years
How come mods feel to neg bomb the setups that they blacklist?
DrakeJr
about 9 years
i blacklisted it, but only because i don't like skillz.
deletedabout 9 years
"Must have skills to win as mafia"

"wow it was blacklisted, mods don't like skill setups I guess"
GuyFawkes85
about 9 years
I guess it's the 78% town win :P
deletedabout 9 years
lol