Epicmafia

over 10 years

Jasprar says

I suppose we can just treat it as an exception because of the nature of the comment
although should banter be included in that? idk

it always was. I disagreed strongly when it was removed. I'm not talking specifically about that pm but just the possibility of saying "kill yourself" to the wrong person should make it harassment if it's reported and not just two friends talking to each other jokingly. A lot of people said well if *that* could put you over the edge you have problems, but that's exactly the point. So yeah, I'd make it an exception along with death threats.

As far as "die ginger die" goes, it doesn't seem like an explicit threat but considering the past with slow it should've been a note at least

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Slow says

BiIIStickers says

Slow says

moreover, what do i have to spite kaylag over? i clearly don't even know who she is, no less was not offended by anything she said.

are you really gonna try to sell yourself as the "if you break the rules i WILL report you" type now, because i totally expect reports for every censor bypass from here forward if that's the case

i didn't say that either

why are you so weirdly aggressive about reports

gamer I'm weirdly aggressive about everything

deletedover 10 years

BiIIStickers says

Slow says

moreover, what do i have to spite kaylag over? i clearly don't even know who she is, no less was not offended by anything she said.

are you really gonna try to sell yourself as the "if you break the rules i WILL report you" type now, because i totally expect reports for every censor bypass from here forward if that's the case

i didn't say that either

why are you so weirdly aggressive about reports

Rondar

over 10 years

Slow says

i think harassment should be that if someone's trying to flagrantly harass someone, then they deserve a harassment vio and don't have to meet criteria to get it. it prevents people like me from reporting and punishing people who harass others.

I agree with this.

The differentiation between people feeling harassed and people feeling offended has become much less clear and a rule should work towards undoing that.

Sims

over 10 years

i am a defender of justice

deletedover 10 years

Slow says

moreover, what do i have to spite kaylag over? i clearly don't even know who she is, no less was not offended by anything she said.

are you really gonna try to sell yourself as the "if you break the rules i WILL report you" type now, because i totally expect reports for every censor bypass from here forward if that's the case

HighSpace

over 10 years

I thought the first vio being a warning was supposed to be used in instances like these. If the users are going to get a verbal warning instead, then the first vio should go straight to 12H Susp. & 24H Forum Susp.

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moreover, what do i have to spite kaylag over? i clearly don't even know who she is, no less was not offended by anything she said.

deletedover 10 years

dude bill, do you really think that i wouldn't have made this thread if id idn't sincerely believe that this deserved a vio

you're a real wacky guy.

deletedover 10 years

BiIIStickers says

Slow says

well i mean, at the risk of losing a justified harassment vio, i wasn't offended in any sense of the word, it's just very clear that kaylag was trying to offend/disturb me and was harassing me basically. there's no reason to think it's a joke when she specifically waited until after the OGI vio went through to send that PM.

just my $.02 (:

dont violation scrounge, dont be connor. you know kaylag didnt actually do anything wrong and this is a spite report

haha what

deletedover 10 years

Slow says

well i mean, at the risk of losing a justified harassment vio, i wasn't offended in any sense of the word, it's just very clear that kaylag was trying to offend/disturb me and was harassing me basically. there's no reason to think it's a joke when she specifically waited until after the OGI vio went through to send that PM.

just my $.02 (:

dont violation scrounge, dont be connor. you know kaylag didnt actually do anything wrong and this is a spite report

deletedover 10 years

i think intent is more important than if someone was offended, and i don't really see it being abusable for report spam/petty vios if someone wasn't harassing in the first place.

Jasprar

over 10 years

alright i'll discuss it w/ mods

Hibiki

over 10 years

well that's kinda the point isn't it. harassment is the action of harassing someone

Kawaii

over 10 years

it shouldn't be multiple times = vio
it should be 0 tolerance + first offence = vio
intent shouldn't be difficult to judge considering who's going to report a friend for shared banter

Jasprar

over 10 years

so changing it to be intent rather than outcome?

deletedover 10 years

i think harassment should be that if someone's trying to flagrantly harass someone, then they deserve a harassment vio and don't have to meet criteria to get it. it prevents people like me from reporting and punishing people who harass others.

anyway i don't have a problem so long as quelaag gets the vio. i'd recommend changing the harassment rule but i rarely have to deal with harassment so i'll leave that 2 da mods (:

Hibiki

over 10 years

i was never aware of "death threats = vio" but i don't doubt it existed when "tell someone to kill themself = vio" definitely did

Jasprar

over 10 years

I suppose we can just treat it as an exception because of the nature of the comment
although should banter be included in that? idk

Jasprar

over 10 years

I sounded cold hearted originally, what i meant is I agree, but the ruling of harassment is such that you can't get a vio just because you said something mean to someone & they don't like you so they're gonna get you banned.

So we need to work something either into there, or as part of something else

Kawaii

over 10 years

there was always a 0 tolerance policy on it until recently? why is that @_@

deletedover 10 years

Jasprar says

Then you need to be making a case for the rule to be changed

translation: if you did not feel offended over a user saying you should die and kill yourself, there is no objectionable behavior taking place here.

AsbelLhant

over 10 years

Well mods you dun 4333'd up now

Jasprar

over 10 years

Then you need to be making a case for the rule to be changed

i agree that no one should be going around telling people to kill themselves so this is your chance

deletedover 10 years

i see no reason why i have to be offended to get someone a harassment vio. i'm reporting it because if ind it objectionable and i don't condone that behavior and find it deserves a punishment. if i don't report it, it's likely going to repeat itself.

why isn't sending death threats