This is kind of a weak argument. The same can be said that pretending to cheat is not OGI. You can explain your way of scumhunting with alleged rolesharing and no one knows if you're lying or not.
Also, if you play with 7 people who know what Songin's favorite color is and know that the potential guiser from graveyard list doesn't know, guess how it works.
The thing is, you can easily bluff if people ask about personal information. Either by claiming the person asking wouldn't know that information, saying you don't want to out that information, Or saying something and claiming the person guise testing you is guised since they didn't know the "right" answer.
Of course, the best method us saying you don't want to out personal information in game, as like you said, the person pushing for the test could be slapped with an OPI vio if it ends up being that they weren't guised. So long as you don't explicitly say you're going to report them for OPI, I don't think it would constitute an OGI vio.
So things like:
"I don't want to out that information" Or "Please stop asking me about that, I don't want to out it" Or "I'm not outing that in game"
Should all be okay.
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Guise testing at all is always OGI. Not responding to guise tests is the way I protest against the bureaucracy.
What about say you know the players real name, and you guise test them by asking their first name.
The guised says that asking about their name violates "Outing of Personal Information" rule.
Will that be "Outside of Game Influence" because they use the game rules to avoid the guise test?
However if the guised did not attempt to block your guisetest with "Outing of Personal Information" would that be "Game Throwing" for not playing their win condition?
On topic, the only instance I can think of that k believe should be 100% be OGI is if you ask them to emote guise-test by referring to a custom emote they posted pregame. If you ask them to do a specific emote that YOU may know of, the person guising could argue that they 'got rid of' that one, Or that the mentioned emote doesn't exist, and that you're just pretending to guise test as mafia.
Now, we run into the issue of people who use a custom emote, at say daystart, and then later one someone attempts a guisetest by asking them to repeat it. This is an instance that I'm on the line about. On one hand, it is nearly impossible for you to obtain that information without using outside of games means (e.g. console commands), and even then, doing so just gives an advantage to someone who knows how a bit about JavaScript or html, which shouldn't be relevant to the game. However, without that method you're basically down to a guessing game with odds that are ridiculously NOT in your favor.
For that reason I think that trying to guise test someone by asking then to repeat an emote that was posted previously at any point in the game, should be OGI. So long as the emote hasn't been, it should fall under meta guise testing, aka a no vio.
This is interesting. The reason that guisetesting isn't OGI is because you can lie about it. i.e. I ask Songin what his favorite color is, he says blue, and I yell that he's lying and it's actually green. You don't know which of us is telling the truth.
I feel like this is a good point about emotes. For example, ex-user brandon had many emotes that were well known. It became impossible to guise him if you don't know the : : for those
Personally not sure whether this should be allowed or not, but I'm glad someone brought it up and this discussion is happening.
here is the definition of OGI: "Using tools or processes outside of a game in a game including, but not limited to: posting on profiles, lobbies, or the forums revealing game-related information, clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not, reporting a player in a game in progress, using third party functions or sites to make in-game decisions, bribes or threats (such as karma, kudos, breaking a rule and reporting), and pregame pact. Pretending to cheat as a reaction test also falls under OGI."
there is a part that says "clearly stated meta posted on profile, whether followed or not". so yes it is meta gaming to use OGI but it is an unenforced rule.
