Okay! So, there were some miscommunication issues when the Cat Lady role was added to the poll. As a result of me not being on the site at that time, I couldn't really do anything to prevent what it ended up being. Here's what it currently does.
Can choose to send a cat to a player before the night starts
That player can decide whether to let the cat into his/her house
If the cat is let in, the player is blocked from all his/her actions
If the cat is let go, then the cat lady is informed of the player's role
Sided with the mafia
The role was actually intended to work in such a way that the Cat Lady would not know who was visited. The visited player could let the cat in, and be roleblocked, or not... and the Cat Lady would find out who was visited and their role. As it currently stands, anyone who lets the cat in is probably worth killing, from the Cat Lady's perspective. So it doesn't help to ever pick that. Also, most likely, the cat would visit a new player each night, and non-mafia players only.
Lucid agreed that if people wanted the role changed to what it was originally supposed to be, he'd do that. So he asked me to put up this poll. Bear in mind, everything I've said here is my vision of the role (I initially suggested it) and it's possible that even with changes, some aspects of it may not change. But hopefully we'll see improvements and this will be more suited to being used in setups!
I mean, the role had over 1/3 of the votes in the poll. It deserves some justice.
Should the Cat Lady role be updated to what it was originally intended to be?
Any role that doesn't visit will choose to be roleblocked as there is no downside to it, this isn't just blues as there are tons of roles used that may not visit at all.
This "choice" for town isn't affected by whether or not the cat visits randomly, either. Think if there is a gs and CL reads him as gs, she's going to send a cat to him at night for sure. But if it's random, what if it visits the celeb? The mafia is put at a disadvantage here because they have to be somewhat dependent on randomness working in their favor. That's why I feel it removes any strategic value. If I'm looking for doc there's a good chance other pr's outted d1. What if my cat keeps visiting the wrong people all game? I don't want to be reliant on random visits to get an advantage over town, I want to get pr reads and send my cat to the right place.
That's situation-dependent. And setup-dependent. And yes. It's supposed to be more beneficial. It's so that Cat Lady discovers the roles of players who can't afford to be roleblocked.
First of all, Golbolco... Ya lied. Because there IS no comped setup right now with Cat Lady. Unless you have some evidence? If I'm wrong, I'll admit that, but I really can't find what you're claiming to be true.
And look, I get that blues could also roleblock themselves for the sake of confusing maf, but very few Cat Lady setups (with the proper intended mechanics) would really be blue-reliant. Maybe one blue in there, literally for that purpose.
I didn't create this wanting a shittier version of stalker for my mafia games. To be blunt, stalker's not that original of a role. I could've just used a stalker equivalent. I created this because it's a role that leaves choices to town, and also because conceptually it worked well for there to be a role that doesn't learn roles unless the target chooses for that to be the case. Think like... gs. They might need to gun the celeb, so they're not going to take a roleblock.
Currently, it's a completely useless role and I've yet to be shown a single example of it adding something to a setup that another role wouldn't do better (hooker or stalker). It's not meant to be a hybrid of the two where town just picks which mafia role they're playing against today. It's supposed to add a thinking/counterplay mechanic to setups. Ya dig?
Edit: It's not a "random variable" btw... If you're looking for doc... most of the time, you're checking random people anyway. It's all guesswork. So having a randomized visit is no big deal. You'll likely find doc either way about as often. And obviously, the roleblock/report is not randomized. So no.
Yes. Obviously. That's why the TARGET chooses not to give them the report, Golbolco. That's literally the entire Cat Lady mechanic concept. Which I've explained countless times here.
This is bouncing off of what golb said but I don't get the hate for her picking who the cat visits? Cat Lady should be actively pr-hunting to try and fish important roles, and having cat pick randomly removes that strategy.
When you receive a cat, your choice is to be stalked or to be hooked. Anyone who doesn't visit will choose to be hooked, and anyone who's already outed will choose to be stalked. Cat Lady won't automatically kill people who chose to be roleblocked because they could just be non-visiting, as it stands her job is to hunt roles like doctor who doesn't want to be neither stalked or roleblocked. Making this a random variable removes it's strategic value
Except in very special cases, I do not think the element of random goes well with Mafia. (That’s why I’m not the biggest fan of Trickster.)
Your theory on how Cat Lady is played is completely unfounded. First off, isn’t there a pinned competitive setup with CL right now? Second, anyone who lets the cat in probably didn’t consider their night action important enough to go through, if they had one, and so the CL shouldn’t kill them. But you can also argue the inverse: anyone who lets CL know their role probably doesn’t consider their role important enough to keep it secret, or otherwise is a PR who is about to out themselves.
I love Cat Lady as-is for this reason: the meta doesn’t exist. You can conceivably make 4 arguments for the game theory surrounding the rationale behind how people treat the cat.
Don’t change Cat Lady, Lucid. It’s a good role as it is right now.
The point is... if Cat Lady *could* choose, they wouldn't keep going after the same player. But the role requires them to not have choice. So it needs some kind of role logic to decide what the cat does without it being "Oh, Cat Lady's useless because it's random and the same player get visited twice" and stuff. And if they don't let the cat in, and it finds out their role... then when they're visited again, of course they won't let it in. And Cat Lady gets no new info.
Mine. Honestly. The number of things cats should not eat that he's somehow obtained and eaten... pasta... cheese... bread... carrot... potato... potato curry... chocolate cookies (poisonous to dogs, not cats, but still scared the crap out of me due to sugar contents), potato chips, avocado...
One thing here I could go either way on... is whether or not the cat should visit a different player every time (as long as it can) or just not the same player twice in a row. Thoughts?
Cat Lady Fix!
