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This is gamethrowing

over 5 years

https://epicmafia.com/game/6779545/review

I'm not going to bother reporting it because 1, y'all need more people that are willing to do reports, and 2, it's going to be novio'd because despite checking off every box in the gamethrowing rule, this behavior is deemed acceptable.

over 5 years
Denial are you competent enough as a human being to see what's wrong with your statement and that picture or are you going to insist that your quote should stand? Because despite what you claim, there's both intent to throw and not playing to win evident in this picture that exist regardless of your willingness to punish it.
over 5 years

denial says

they're not gamethrowing and its not going to be ruled as gamethrowing. so its time to adjust to the meta and play it out in a way that benefits you or keep getting run over in games


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ur a liar !!!!!
over 5 years

Ally says


blacksnakemoan says


Ally says

i actually quit mostly because of her lol


btch u said u stepped down because i was


i definitely never said that i just thought it was a good time


u said and i quote

"i love bsm too much if he goes i will go!!!"

also in pms "omg if you step down i am too!!!"
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Zovea says

She was complicit in years of mod abuse and mods standing against the community they represent. If she was still a mod, she'd be in this thread trying to derail it and mocking me for caring.


"years"
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blacksnakemoan says


Ally says

i actually quit mostly because of her lol


btch u said u stepped down because i was


i definitely never said that i just thought it was a good time
over 5 years
it's cute how people somehow think they know more about the mod team than idk the people on the mod team

Charley and Ally were at each other's throats most of the time

The only time they ever got along was when there were 100+ reports and they'd do them all and then tell other people to pull their weight

The only reason they were able to do that is because they're adults who could acknowledge that while they disliked someone that person also had some positive traits

In other words, you're a child zovea
over 5 years

Zovea says


denial says

so, why do you think that it was a bad idea the sheriff decided to lynch you


It's hard to be civil with you when you ask moronic questions like these. We play in a reality where bad clears are allowed to spend the entire game spamming for self votes only to lose the game or throw against anyone that doesn't want to follow them.

Yet:
You're asking me why it's bad to be lynched for wanting to play the game.
You're asking me why it's bad for a clear to have the autonomy to throw the game against someone wants to play the game.
You're asking me why it's bad for someone to be shut out of playing the game based solely on the role they roll.
You're asking me why it was bad for someone to be wrong and throw the game over something objectively town.


not objectively town. don't try to pass your feelings off as fact. if you think voting anybody that self voted and causing chaos/actively trying to make it so that anyone could not behave in the way the sheriff wanted the game to play out is "objectively town", you need to take a breather because you're lying in order to try to prove a point

whole point of my question is because the way you played this game out wasn't just somebody that refused to self and didn't want to self, you went out of your way to make the day a mess because you didn't want anybody to self

anyways, i'm sorry the meta shifted and you don't agree with it because that's all that can really be said at the end of the day

they're not gamethrowing and its not going to be ruled as gamethrowing. so its time to adjust to the meta and play it out in a way that benefits you or keep getting run over in games
over 5 years
This has to end. It's like the mods are going out of their way to make sure horrible games are common. https://epicmafia.com/report/259805
over 5 years

Ally says

losing a game isn't equivalent to throwing a game


If you shut down mentally as the clear in this meta, the odds are you're going to throw the game. That's how every game in the OP should be evaluated. As an F type that's done reports with the "intent to throw" mentality, I can understand why you're incapable and/or unwilling to make this distinction.
over 5 years
I know the adage goes: Don't attribute malice where stupidity could fit.

Ally says

are you referring to charley? if so -- we didn't get along on the mod team and i actually quit mostly because of her lol so there was definitely no sucking up there. i'm just saying that she did a ton of reports which is something most mods aren't willing to do.


But this is a lie that anyone that's been on this site for the past year could tell you, especially all of the people that fell victim to her and Charley's abuses.
over 5 years

blacksnakemoan says


Ally says

i actually quit mostly because of her lol


btch u said u stepped down because i was


Imagine lying about why you were ousted as a mod, wait you can do this.

Army says

I have no idea why everyone was cheering when Ally stepped down, acting like she was the "queen corrupt" when I saw like 2 complaints about her when there were like 15 about the others


She was complicit in years of mod abuse and mods standing against the community they represent. If she was still a mod, she'd be in this thread trying to derail it and mocking me for caring.
over 5 years

Songin says

Gamethrowing requires intent, it's that simple.


This is a technicality written into the rules that allows mods to opt out of actually dealing with thrown games. This is not a statement that has any basis in reality, and definately has no bearing on how games are played on this site.

The simple act of removing this clause from the rule would be the single most healthy thing that could be done for comp games because it'd remove the ability of users like yourself to make excuses for how this game is played.

Songin says

You refused to self for the clear, and they did not townread you enough to give you any chance at voting no one or hammering that day, therefore they chose to BW you instead. That's not intentionally throwing the game as they scumread you.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand at all.


There's a high degree of ignorance and stupidity that has to go into believing that mafia would be against a bad clear hammering a lynch. ESPECIALLY IN A SELF VOTE FOR BAD CLEAR META

Just stop. You're actually trying to attribute thought to this. It's stupid posts like these that make it real easy for people to 'subtly' throw games when they're upset, a plague that exists in comp games because of the "requires intent" clause of the gamethrowing rule.

You're literally basing your reality on a poorly written rule here, especially when you claim that not wanting to gamble the game on someone choosing correctly after demonstrating their incompetence several times. Do you think lana would make the exact same choice if there was a threat of punishment for carrying out said actions?

I can understand why someone that doesn't take this game seriously would believe she shouldn't be punished, but as someone that does take this game very seriously,being suppressed as the one role that should have the most impact on the game is indicative of a systematic failure that needs to be addressed, not ignored.
over 5 years

denial says

so, why do you think that it was a bad idea the sheriff decided to lynch you


It's hard to be civil with you when you ask moronic questions like these. We play in a reality where bad clears are allowed to spend the entire game spamming for self votes only to lose the game or throw against anyone that doesn't want to follow them.

Yet:
You're asking me why it's bad to be lynched for wanting to play the game.
You're asking me why it's bad for a clear to have the autonomy to throw the game against someone wants to play the game.
You're asking me why it's bad for someone to be shut out of playing the game based solely on the role they roll.
You're asking me why it was bad for someone to be wrong and throw the game over something objectively town.
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I have no idea why everyone was cheering when Ally stepped down, acting like she was the "queen corrupt" when I saw like 2 complaints about her when there were like 15 about the others
over 5 years

Ally says

i actually quit mostly because of her lol


btch u said u stepped down because i was
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Gamethrowing requires intent to want, it's that simple.

You refused to self for the clear, and they did not townread you enough to give you any chance at voting no one or hammering that day, therefore they chose to BW you instead. That's not intentionally throwing the game as they scumread you.

It's not that hard of a concept to understand at all.
over 5 years

UniversalStudios says

"looking like mafia" is on the same level as "scummy" for very poor reasons to base a lynch unless you're an F type that's devoid of being rational.

Yes it's a hard concept because WANTING TO PLAY THE GAME instead of deferring to a clear THAT JUST ML'D A TOWNIE should NOT be an accepted practice.

>People are stupid, rules should reflect that. Catering to the notions of the playerbase instead of the reality in which they exist in why we've had this stupid meta for the past 3+ years.


so, why do you think that it was a bad idea the sheriff decided to lynch you
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are you referring to charley? if so -- we didn't get along on the mod team and i actually quit mostly because of her lol so there was definitely no sucking up there. i'm just saying that she did a ton of reports which is something most mods aren't willing to do.

losing a game isn't equivalent to throwing a game
over 5 years
Nevermind not going to pick the mind of a mediocre mod that sucked up to a mod who was willing to slave away at reports for preferential treatment in games and the ability to violate who she wanted with impunity.
over 5 years

Ally says

ive also gotten lynched for refusing to self for bad clears but its not gamethrowing lol, they can read into your actions


But you lost the game.....
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OP says

y'all need more people that are willing to do reports


also teaaa this is what happens when charley steps down n muki can't do comp reports.... rip
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ive also gotten lynched for refusing to self for bad clears but its not gamethrowing lol, they can read into your actions