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Violating ToS to Other Sites

about 6 years

Over the years it has been noted that mods and users, in various ways, have violated the ToS of several sites to include but not mention all sites, Google Ads, Cloudflare, EM, Discord, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, reddit, and pastebin.

While mods can use EM and govern it to their ability, they do not have the right to extend that governing authority to outside sites, especially if they are going to use those outside sites to harass or blackmail EM users. When an EM user is using Discord or Skype or any other site, they are not at that point EM users anymore, they are Discord or Skype users. Harassment and blackmail ToS on those sites falls under the developer's and moderator's jurisdiction of those sites.

It is pretty clear that if an EM user uses Discord to harass or blackmail people, there is nothing that an EM mod can do about it. In the same way an EM mod has absolutely no right to request (at the notion of declaring a person guilty on EM, if a Discord user refuses to allow anyone to see their chat history) access to their chat history. This is blackmail. This actually happened, I witnessed it with several other EpicMafia players on Discord.

At the request of players, going through various false accusations at that time, I decided to look into it. The standard is pretty simple and this is what I urge the EM community to do. If a mod requests to see your chat history ON and THROUGH Discord and you deny them, and they say there will be ramifications (the fact that they are asking you, means that if you deny there could be ramificaitons already) tell the mod that you feel harassed and blackmailed. If the mod presses on or uses your response to incur a guilty verdict against you, I strongly suggest that you report them immediately to Discord or whatever other site for blackmail.

I would also imagine that this same mentality can be applied to pastebin, reddit, and Google Docs. If anyone (mod or user) uses an alternative site to blackmail, harass, hack, stalk, or anything that can be construed as damaging or a violation of their ToS, the appropriate and right thing to do is report them. Just because people violate ToS on EM and even Cloudflare all the time and get away with it, doesn't mean other sites will easily put up with the same sorts of malice.

I have started a conversation with the developers of Discord and Skype. Once I have recieved their input on the situation I will post their response here.

In my own words to the admin and mods this evening,

"I am not blackmailing you or the mods. I am flat out telling you, the policy to violating the ToS of other sites will no longer be tolerated by me or EpicMafia users, period. Mods and people on this site alike can violate Cloudflares' and EM's ToS all they like, but we are not about to have our Discord and Skype ToS violated as well. I am flat out telling everyone to stop being criminals. Everything will be reported from now on. And now all mods will know that you they have to behave outside of EM. There is no blackmail or threat. If they break a law on another website and they will flat out pay for it. That is the standard. I would expect any mod who thinks it is unethical to cheat here on EM to have similar ethics in all manners of life outside of EM."

Discord's Response: TBA

Skype's Response: TBA

about 6 years
Not really sure where this is coming from but you're not the first to try to take things in this direction and you won't be the last.

Good thing you have that red star there too so you can go down with the rest of us ;)
about 6 years
TLD5
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LOL pisÅ› off
about 6 years
I will look over typos later on. GLHF.