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Violating ToS to Other Sites

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Over the years it has been noted that mods and users, in various ways, have violated the ToS of several sites to include but not mention all sites, Google Ads, Cloudflare, EM, Discord, Skype, Facebook, Twitter, reddit, and pastebin.

While mods can use EM and govern it to their ability, they do not have the right to extend that governing authority to outside sites, especially if they are going to use those outside sites to harass or blackmail EM users. When an EM user is using Discord or Skype or any other site, they are not at that point EM users anymore, they are Discord or Skype users. Harassment and blackmail ToS on those sites falls under the developer's and moderator's jurisdiction of those sites.

It is pretty clear that if an EM user uses Discord to harass or blackmail people, there is nothing that an EM mod can do about it. In the same way an EM mod has absolutely no right to request (at the notion of declaring a person guilty on EM, if a Discord user refuses to allow anyone to see their chat history) access to their chat history. This is blackmail. This actually happened, I witnessed it with several other EpicMafia players on Discord.

At the request of players, going through various false accusations at that time, I decided to look into it. The standard is pretty simple and this is what I urge the EM community to do. If a mod requests to see your chat history ON and THROUGH Discord and you deny them, and they say there will be ramifications (the fact that they are asking you, means that if you deny there could be ramificaitons already) tell the mod that you feel harassed and blackmailed. If the mod presses on or uses your response to incur a guilty verdict against you, I strongly suggest that you report them immediately to Discord or whatever other site for blackmail.

I would also imagine that this same mentality can be applied to pastebin, reddit, and Google Docs. If anyone (mod or user) uses an alternative site to blackmail, harass, hack, stalk, or anything that can be construed as damaging or a violation of their ToS, the appropriate and right thing to do is report them. Just because people violate ToS on EM and even Cloudflare all the time and get away with it, doesn't mean other sites will easily put up with the same sorts of malice.

I have started a conversation with the developers of Discord and Skype. Once I have recieved their input on the situation I will post their response here.

In my own words to the admin and mods this evening,

"I am not blackmailing you or the mods. I am flat out telling you, the policy to violating the ToS of other sites will no longer be tolerated by me or EpicMafia users, period. Mods and people on this site alike can violate Cloudflares' and EM's ToS all they like, but we are not about to have our Discord and Skype ToS violated as well. I am flat out telling everyone to stop being criminals. Everything will be reported from now on. And now all mods will know that you they have to behave outside of EM. There is no blackmail or threat. If they break a law on another website and they will flat out pay for it. That is the standard. I would expect any mod who thinks it is unethical to cheat here on EM to have similar ethics in all manners of life outside of EM."

Discord's Response: TBA

Skype's Response: TBA

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all rank players are gays
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ay bwoi its not that serious just play the game
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ay bwoi its not that serious just play the game
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Carmen says

This is actually true, but at the same time you're not guaranteed a right to use this site and technically the mods could openly ban you for not liking you if they wanted. It might cause petitions and stuff to go up, but mods can pretty much ban whoever.

That being said, how else are you supposed to curb cheating? If someone takes a discord screenshot of obvious cheating while playing EM, is it okay because it was on a different site?


If any one sided accusation, absolutely can be proven by the actual games played on EpicMafia, then mods can call it, this is the site they are governing. If they are really doing what is best for the site, then they can make that decision. If mods want to talk to the defendant/accused, the accused response, which at that point is only going to be defense, should be enough. Mods don't need access to chats on other sites period, they shouldn't even ask for it. If the defendant is willing to let them see it that is on them.

@Captcha, this isn't about EM cheating on discord, at least that is what I thought at first, it is two fold. 1.) If we cheat on EpicMafia using Discord, it is a violation to Discord ToS, but the only person who can report it, is one of the two cheaters, or anyone who is in the Discord chat. 2.) Mods can blackmail EM users on Discord and/or access their chats to determine if they cheated, that is against Discord ToS as well. (Several of us witnessed two mods blackmailing players to view their chats. If they would not allow the chat to be seen they would just ban them. Those users were banned anyway, due to other parts of the chat.)
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Ok, I have a response from Discord I will post it in a bit.
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Dear God, someone ring the Internet Police!
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spiritualized says

y’all hear sumn?


ye

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lol
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y’all hear sumn?
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Mafiaman you are confusing.

If you are talking about EM vio's, there is no site on Earth that'll care about EM's ToS.

If you are talking about reporting things that violate Discord ToS by EM users, well no shet. Who even thinks that EM rules pass over onto Discord? If someone asks you to do something that is banned on Discord, you don't allow yourself to fall for that.
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You’re 36 years old and posting this lol
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Discord's Response: TBA

Skype's Response: TBA

LOL YOU WILL BE WAITING A WHILE
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This is actually true, but at the same time you're not guaranteed a right to use this site and technically the mods could openly ban you for not liking you if they wanted. It might cause petitions and stuff to go up, but mods can pretty much ban whoever.

That being said, how else are you supposed to curb cheating? If someone takes a discord screenshot of obvious cheating while playing EM, is it okay because it was on a different site?
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you actually spent that much time making this thread when epicmafia is this dead
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i'm sure the skype & discord devs will be putting a lot of time & effort into this issue seeing a smooth resolution
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What are you trying to say?
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L M A O
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so true

so so true
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i agree with MG here, but who the cares?
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I think you're confused lol
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town of salem sux
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ethics on epicmafia ex dee
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>expecting that people will follow ToS

LOL
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I'd love to violate your ToS MafGod ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)