Epicmafia

fake claiming/rs/trolling

deletedover 6 years

hi to all of you wonderful people, with the exception of our missing europeans, i come bringing a thread to discuss a rule.....

where do you think the line between fake claiming/attempted rs and a trolling violation should be?

Is it okay to fake claim as town? How often can you do? in what situations can you do it and not do it as town? at what point might this become trolling (or even gting)?

please discuss

Devante

over 6 years

Dude stfu already, holy

deletedover 6 years

relating to this i can understand some of your frustrations. i literally could never read awnyy and gerry as examples, because they trolled every game so hard and never really tried to help town from my view. other trolls like meeko were easier as they can town tell and scum hunt in their ways. that being said, people can just avoid games of people like this that they cant read. like i have to avoid krystena, because she always grudge lynches/tunnels me. that being said, you should not be demanding people to change the way they play just because some people do not like it or cant read you.

it is a different story if they actually troll to antagonize people in the game by like doing things like writing the whole gave in pig latin...

deletedover 6 years

stupidity:

i was in a game and i thought about something on this: https://epicmafia.com/game/6601179/review

the problem that people have with the fake claiming is that they can't think about the game mechanics and attempt to read me at all. the real problem that people have with this is that they just dont want to really think at all in a game that is purely about thinking

like if you really think about someone's behavior in the games, you can get a clear idea about their role and purpose. like when i am blue and i like claim oracle and sheriff, i always do it after no one outed for some time and i immediately retract when they claim. as mafia, i would probably keep the oracle claim longer at times.

if you really think about what i do and would i do that as town and/or mafia, i think that you could read my fake claims very easily. the people complaining about this tend to mishammer me when i dont fake claim even (krystena, bsm, etc). they cant really think about mechanics and behavior at all, so they don't care to think about it when i fake claim...

that being said, I fake claim for the purpose of helping town as town and to pretend to be town as mafia. i also dont do it in every game, as i only do it depending on the circumstances. its not my fault that some of you fools refuse to think in games at all or try to read me. you would mishammer me no matter what for the exact same reason though. i think this fake claiming analysis would actually help you get better reads on me though if you actually think about what i would do as which roles....

deletedover 6 years

WTF DON'T BAN THIS I DO THIS LITERALLY EVERY RANKED AND COMP GAME AS BLUE DON'T BAN THIS

Gerry

over 6 years

mtlive stop being annoying and they wont ban u, its that simple. lol

Gerry

over 6 years

IDEK what mtlive complaining about. All I know is I fake claim literally every game and have never received a vio. but that's just gerry's methods of course.

deletedover 6 years

how can u call someone with multiple trophies bad??? the problem lies within u dont b!tch here thinking you are all gods gift to humanity.

Zhuorb

over 6 years

I don't think the bad player argument can stick anymore

GuyFawkes85

over 6 years

I'm dodging mtlve (for very obvious reasons) so I don't know what she did in CBA, but I do know her from the ton of games we have played together.

mtlve isn't a thrower and didn't use to troll (idk if she is now). She's really bad, most of the time slow, but not a gt'er or a troll. From what I read in this thread she's cc'ing the 3 prs (which is stupid and not at all surprising) in CBA. That's OBV bad for town in most cases, since caroler should NOT out (in most cases) + cc'ing sheriff is useless unless sheriff is hiding and if he's bad he can shoot you (it happened, he should not, but it happened). Cc'ing orc, if town doesn't believe your retraction, either loses orc for town or gets you lynched.

So as both town or maf, doing that gives you NO ADVANTAGE and as town it gives your party NO ADVANTAGE. As mafia, you MIGHT get orc lynched but 2 mafs confirmed (yourself and one naked, with some bad luck. With some more bad luck, sheriff could have shot the other one, or he could be in the carol the next day).

Conclusion: DO NOT DO IT.

deletedover 6 years

ivana says

calciumkid says

its the peoples fault fof being so one dimensional not mtlve fault for playing a mafia game the way it should be.

lol some of u just want everyonr to claim their role with honesty. gtfo dumb b!tchez.

Other players do it but not every single damn game. She is viewed as a troll and not helpful to town at all, which is why she constantly gets lynched and then gets upset about it. I'm just being honest. Mtlve is a good person, but her play strats are off.

then i see the problem in the people that lynch her as much as anything

deletedover 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

Ra1nyDay says

I have 4 trophies, so i do not think that i am clueless how to play. we all have our own strategies that work here so stop trying to control them unless they are making it unfair to the other players. i argue that fake claiming is not unfair for them!

yeah.. but everyone else argues that it's unfair...

people comment please. do you think that me claiming multiple roles and retracting makes the game unfair for either town or mafia?????????????

please discuss.....

kooler

over 6 years

wait people are getting mad at mtlve? isn't this literally how they always play??

ivana

over 6 years

calciumkid says

its the peoples fault fof being so one dimensional not mtlve fault for playing a mafia game the way it should be.

lol some of u just want everyonr to claim their role with honesty. gtfo dumb b!tchez.

Other players do it but not every single damn game. She is viewed as a troll and not helpful to town at all, which is why she constantly gets lynched and then gets upset about it. I'm just being honest. Mtlve is a good person, but her play strats are off.

blacksnakemoan

over 6 years

Ra1nyDay says

I have 4 trophies, so i do not think that i am clueless how to play. we all have our own strategies that work here so stop trying to control them unless they are making it unfair to the other players. i argue that fake claiming is not unfair for them!

yeah.. but everyone else argues that it's unfair...

Zhuorb

over 6 years

single roleswapping is primitive and dead; real players roleswap three roles at once

peach

over 6 years

real anarchists rs every time without consent

TheRealLapisLazuli

over 6 years

Ra1nyDay says

TheFakeLapisLazuli says

i dont see any problem

expand on your position

i think rainy is right about everything

deletedover 6 years

TheFakeLapisLazuli says

i dont see any problem

expand on your position

TheFakeLapisLazuli

over 6 years

i dont see any problem

deletedover 6 years

PatrykSzczescie says

I don't mind rs'ing/fake-claiming when you are an unlynchable role or you get a consent from the one you're rs'ing with as well as when confirmed mafia is being lynched and town doesn't need to know the role you're fake-claiming (such as doctor).

you are in the bs game where the sheriff outs and you nl. do you mind if someone fake claims sheriff until they are cced? i do this type of stuff mostly to get the clears that need to out to out and to avoid people like the bs from freaking out about who is the sheriff

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

I don't mind rs'ing/fake-claiming when you are an unlynchable role or you get a consent from the one you're rs'ing with as well as when confirmed mafia is being lynched and town doesn't need to know the role you're fake-claiming (such as doctor).

PatrykSzczescie

over 6 years

ivana says

Mtlve you just claimed 3 different roles for 4 games in a row. You can't get mad when people want to lynch you for your constant role claims. The difference is RS isn't something that is done every game, it tends to be a rarer thing. Not every game. I think that's the point here.

I agree with that!

Jeff

over 6 years

Ra1nyDay says

blacksnakemoan says

it's not strategy if you do it in every game and everyone knows you do it

do you scum hunt in every game? does everyone know you do it? is that not a strategy?

lmao owned

deletedover 6 years

blacksnakemoan says

Ra1nyDay says

blacksnakemoan says

it's not strategy if you do it in every game and everyone knows you do it

do you scum hunt in every game? does everyone know you do it? is that not a strategy?

you know what i mean, stop twisting.

scumhunting is the game.

your bs tactics are not.

it's not strategy to claim orc, caroler, and sheriff in the one game so everyone claims. because then you look scummy and die.

you don't seem to get that. the vast majority of the competitive playerbase gets annoyed with how you play because you dont make it easier for whatever team you're on

remember that we played together around the time of this report and you said that if i did not fake claim, you would retract the vio. i did not fake claim there. i fake claim a lot but i dont every game and i fake claim different roles each game based on the game.

you cant say that i have no strategy here. maybe if you figured out my actual strategy with this, you could actually read me better...... if i had no strategy, i would do the exact same thing every game that i am like blue but i dont. i adapt to the game play to win.

you and all other mods need to stop saying what can and can't be strategy......sadly you really have no idea how to spot strategy or you are dumbtelling that you cant...

deletedover 6 years

Zhuorb says

I for one find claiming all roles but mine to be very fruitful since it baits the mafia into claiming my role for easier scumhunting

it is really helpful when you are like claiming cop and get 3 ccs. the 3rd guy is usually real and you can like save lynching the cop