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https://epicmafia.com/report/244300

over 6 years

Since this is a appeal and you can only appeal once, I'll make sure to go over every detail of the report and how it was handled by poser.

I'm guessing what poser meant from https://imgur.com/a/HYtkf is that I waited to give my report, therefor I'm not annoyed at the game at all. I should note I was annoyed in game, although I'll go over that later, but that shouldn't matter at all since blacksnakemoan did the most cut and dry OGI that I've seen in a while. I'm also going to go out on a guess and say poser did not review my report at all and I suggest she should pay more attention to it. Since this is a game related issue, the only thing that should effect the verdict of the moderators who view this is a few things. Did the person honestly admit to doing what he did on the report. And, if it's not clear if the person did what he was accused of, does he have a history of doing said thing.

Going on how it was actually 100% OGI without a doubt. https://imgur.com/a/hzpUt is where the OGI started. You could say that blacksnakemoan said the wrong thing on accident and I actually thought that when I saw this so I tried making him retract what he said in https://imgur.com/a/nyhLB He, instead of retracting what he said, replied with https://imgur.com/a/oteuq At this point, it was easy OGI, that effected the entire game, and at this point I was planning on reporting him. I wanted to point out his OGI to save any of the newer players who were in the game from possibly getting a GT violation mistakenly because they listened to blacksnake's claims. https://imgur.com/a/LqZMV At this point, blacksnakemoan denied all attempts to OGI and I honestly believed he didn't mean to OGI. Before I contiune, I should note, OGI isn't like gamethrowing. You can OGI by accident and still get a vio because you OGIed. So to make it very clear on how some people could think from blacksnakemoan's claim, I responded with this https://imgur.com/a/o4EQS At this point, I was very annoyed, hints the caps lock, because I had to deal with thinking about OGI and reporting while in a relaxing game of mafia playing my favoriate role. And then at that point, blacksnakemoan attacked me with statements that called me a https://imgur.com/a/dOxGb At this point I was past annoyed and very triggered which is why I said nothing for the past while. I probably would've lurked the entire time being annoyed from what blacksnakemoan has said but then he told sheriff to shoot me and I felt forced to play https://imgur.com/a/2I3l6 You could probably even tell how much I didn't enjoy that game from blacksnakemoan's OGI attempt and attack on me. I was maybe set of easily, although I was drosy at the time, but that doesn't justify ANYTHING blacksnakemoan has done. After I was done with that game, I was so disgusted with it, I decided to leave without reporting. This being the next game hosted by the table https://epicmafia.com/game/6485904/review Outside of being disgusted, I also didn't report because I thought either Tartosis, tanget or justin because they either pointed out that it was OGI or they're tart and I know tart knows it's OGI and hates it. The next day I get on and see https://epicmafia.com/report/244201 Which suggested he didn't get a violation for his OGI so I decided to report him.

As for if blacksnakemoan should get a note because he didn't mean to do it, or to get the violation. I think he should get hit with the real deal since it made me annoyed, blacksnakemoan annoyed, tartosis annoyed, tanget slightly annoyed, I'm guessing justin was annoyed, made it harder for town to scumhunt since it ended up effecting the entire game, and could've effected one of the 2 less expereinced players if they were alive blacksmith during night 2. There shouldn't be any exception for this case. I do believe he wasn't meaning to OGI but this effected way to many things to go unpunished, and would be a learning lesson to not lightly speak about reports in game for blacksnakemoan.

I believe everything I stated why this is OGI and why I didn't immediately report blacksnakemoan even though that fact doesn't matter in the report.

over 6 years

Zhuorb says

if this is OGI, anyone ever mentioning gamethrowing in any game should get a violation. lol


He didn't just mention reporting but gave the threat of someone getting reported for gamethrow. If I didn't respond to this, and blacksmith didn't get shot and was one of the new players in the game, they could've vested the sheriff thinking vesting the cop is GT and could've gotten a GT violation themselves.

denial says

uh, yeah

like i said, its literally slip of the tongue ogi

what he said was basically ogi, and he realized it so he corrected his earlier statement


At what point was he trying to correct himself in game?


poser says

it wasn't even a serious comment dude and it isn't ogi


So I can OGI all I want as long as I'm joking? Even if this was true blacksnakemoan never directly said that it's not GT to vest the cop. Which would've solved all of this.

poser says

like if blacksnake were to continue arguing about who gets the vest and then use the handle "but its gt, you're gamethrowing" then of course the implication of reporting is there but if its just a casual mention i'm not sure how it affected the game at all rather than how u took it


Did you read the game? Literally everyone accused him of OGI and me and it disrupted gameplay.
over 6 years

mandevian says

Since you think it wasnt intentional then you should never even think about it being a violation.


It being intentional or not doesn't effect ANY rules other than gamethrowing, hate comment being probably the easiest to use as a example.


mandevian says

Telling people what you think is the rule is not ogi.


His intentions wasn't to state the rules, but to get cop not vested. Pay more intention before you comment something like this.


poser says

How can anyone assume they'd really get reported for that when it wasn't even hinted at


Because blacksnake said it's gamethrow and gamethrow is reportable and punishable???


denial says

i mean the guy is literally admitting he used the words gamethrowing in order to try to get town to for sure vest the sheriff rather than the cop he wanted to kill

it was just a poor choice of words


Look at what I said to the first quote
over 6 years

denial says

its just a word that is better left not being said


Absolutely agree it was a bad word choice
over 6 years
yes but its not a new user
over 6 years
its just a word that is better left not being said

yes, being an experienced user, nobody will bat an eye at a statement like this

think about what the word 'gamethrowing' being shoved in a newer users face is going to think

they're basically going to think they HAVE to do that action

these are the kind of users pranay fking prays on to fk up when they have autowin



bottom line: you can convince people to do things without using words that imply users are breaking a rule if they don't follow it
over 6 years
also this is a great thread, gj poser
over 6 years
lmao what i didn't get away with a GRS vio
over 6 years
Bsm got away with a grs vio when he actually grsd and when he didnt ogi everybody are discussing it.
over 6 years
That is not ogi at all. Not in a million years. Telling people what you think is the rule is not ogi. Will never be. Even if he meant it, it isnt ogi. Get your heads out of your rear and understand the rules. Typing a long thread saying that you dont think they did it intentionally and still want them to get the vio is outside this world.

Even if this was done internationally it isnt ogi and bsm should not be sorry for saying it.

Since you think it wasnt intentional then you should never even think about it being a violation.
over 6 years
How can anyone assume they'd really get reported for that when it wasn't even hinted at
over 6 years
It's obviously not gamethrowing to vest someone else if you have a good reason for it which blacksnake is aware of
over 6 years
i mean the guy is literally admitting he used the words gamethrowing in order to try to get town to for sure vest the sheriff rather than the cop he wanted to kill

it was just a poor choice of words
over 6 years

poser says

U just called a Snickers bar a kit kat


no... thats you

look at every statement you said regarding why you gave him a no vio

makes it really misleading that the words he said were okay.

they weren't

it's very easy to say "btw vest the sheriff so that we keep our ML and we just lose the cop" rather than "ur gting if you dont vest the sheriff"
over 6 years
if this is OGI, anyone ever mentioning gamethrowing in any game should get a violation. lol
over 6 years
U just called a Snickers bar a kit kat
over 6 years
uh, yeah

like i said, its literally slip of the tongue ogi

what he said was basically ogi, and he realized it so he corrected his earlier statement
over 6 years

denial says

blacksnakemoan 1d 6h
I explained that I didn't mean literal GTing,

over 6 years
blacksnakemoan 1d 6h
I mean, I was mafia trying to trip up town, and I didn't want mtlve vested for that reason. I explained that I didn't mean literal GTing, but I didn't consider that as soon as I said GTing it would automatically be taken as a warning about the rules since I'm a mod, so I'll admit I was wrong to be careless with what I said there.
over 6 years
it wasn't even a serious comment dude and it isn't ogi
over 6 years

poser says

not vesting the sheriff when ur bs could very well be a good way to lose the game so???


he defended his action by saying he was basically saying it so that he could kill the cop at night or something iirc

either way its like such a subtle slip of the tongue ogi that doesn't necessarily deserve the vio even though it WAS ogi
over 6 years
like if blacksnake were to continue arguing about who gets the vest and then use the handle "but its gt, you're gamethrowing" then of course the implication of reporting is there but if its just a casual mention i'm not sure how it affected the game at all rather than how u took it
over 6 years
not vesting the sheriff when ur bs could very well be a good way to lose the game so???
over 6 years
it was more like a friendly reminder rather than a thinly veiled threat of reporting in order to sway the votes or who dies