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Thoughts on meta?

deletedalmost 7 years

Edit I want to define meta and what should count as abusing meta.

Examples

  • Should saying player a n1's player b be abusing meta?

  • Is doing a n1 action(gun/save/etc) abusing meta?

  • Is saying "I wouldn't kill player a" abusing meta or ogi?

So with meta becoming more and more of an issue I was wondering what everyone thinks about meta. Here's some questions I want to ask and see what everyone's take on them are:

  • Do you believe someone when they say meta?

  • Do you believe meta that is posted?

  • Is mafia a game played using meta and previous experiences?

  • Do you think always gunning/saving/etc someone n1 and then playing according to d1 is bad?

  • What do you think should be considered as meta?(Edited in, thanks pranay.)

I personally think everyone uses and to some extent "abuses" their own meta from time to time.

blacksnakemoan
almost 7 years

Giga7 says

Q3. Without meta, the game of mafia inherently cannot exist (it would simply be pure luck)


Wouldn't anon games be an example against this? They'd work in a vacuum of personal meta

I agree with soda though, meta is too easily manipulated, by both sides. There are some players who N1 me without fail. It doesn't help me, because I'm dead, but if someone else has picked up on it then it's an easy maf read. but at the same time, I night one'd someone for a solid week, then used that to clear me later on.
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mandevian says

Before you ask questions, understand the definition of meta.

So tell me what do you mean by meta?


That's actually a good point, I guess when I made this topic I would say meta being stuff you do every game. Added it as a question tho because let's discuss that too.
denial
almost 7 years
btw, meta abuse didn't even seem to be the problem that mods had with shamu/dusk based on the two lines i bothered to read from that pastebin

it looked more like favoritism/circle jerking that were the concerns
mandevian
almost 7 years
Before you ask questions, understand the definition of meta.

So tell me what do you mean by meta?
deletedalmost 7 years
night kill meta is the fkn worst
deletedalmost 7 years
Like if it's known that player a will always n1 player b and they both live I don't automatically assume "player a must be town", player a and b can be maf. Or even is player b does die n1, I'm not gonna straight up say "player a is maf" every single game but I will be suspicious of them.
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soda says

sucks dude

But it's like taxes, a necessary evil for mafia.

I try to center the game around meta as little as possible.


I can't really do that tbh. Like how do you not take into consideration how someone plays if they play the same way all the time? Although I wouldn't say just because something happens my reads can't be influenced by the rest of the game.
deletedalmost 7 years
because it's very easy to manipulate
deletedalmost 7 years
sucks dude

But it's like taxes, a necessary evil for mafia.

I try to center the game around meta as little as possible.
deletedalmost 7 years

jess says

lazy what are you on about this time
why do u post so much


Maybe I like to talk to people jess, ever think about that?! Can a guy not talk to people about random stuff and occasional mafia? HUH!
deletedalmost 7 years
Q3. Without meta, the game of mafia inherently cannot exist (it would simply be pure luck)
jess
almost 7 years
lazy what are you on about this time
why do u post so much
deletedalmost 7 years
Yeah, i just want to have a nice discussion on something i see becoming a problem and find out i hurt someone's feelings to the point they gotta silence me. There's forum block but this person is so sad they gotta straight up silence me instead. At least have the dignity to tell me you did it instead of hiding like a b1tch.
denial
almost 7 years
good ol' forum shadow forum bans are making a return
deletedalmost 7 years
Also thanks for the nice forum ban again... If you're so salty over what I got to say you could at least have the balls to tell me to my face instead of just checking a button and watch nothing happen. =/