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GuyFawkes85
about 7 years

not noobs) AND WHY MIMICKING N1 IS GT

The post is going to be long, you can find a Tl;dr at the end.

N1: tracker tracks, drunk should NO DRUNK because of no jan and to avoid wasting the ml (above all on mimic), mimic should no mimic (since mimicking n1 is gt - explaining it below)

D1: prs out in this order: tracker - drunk - bomb - MIMIC HIDES

N2: tracker tracks - drunk only drunks if mimic was outed (fished or bw'd) otherwise he NO DRUNKS to avoid being on mimic

D2: hopefully you were good enough to hit maf and still have the ml, use it, otherwise you're on lylo, reread, scumhunt, THINK and then lynch

then move from there

USUAL OBJECTIONS

  1. You have a drunk, why no drunk? You can stop jan!

You only have 1/8 of hitting jan, and maf no jans most of the time. If they no jan and you're on town, you're wasting a ml (and if it's on mimic you also lose you're most precious pr, AND THEN DRUNK TOO) SO NO DRUNK, DO NOT BE STUPID

  1. I will mimic n1, because I'm pro and I will be on pr, I, do what I want, I'm a rebel!

No, you're not a rebel, you're a gt alt / gt main, because you are going against your win condition and intentionally! (AND MODS KNOW THAT, Idk why they no vio it!) DO NOT MIMIC N1!!! IT IS GT (AND ALSO BAD PLAY)

N1 you have 33% of being on a pr, 33% of being on a blue and 33% of being on maf. N2 you have 100% of being on a pr, after they claim. By mimicking n1, you are going AGAINST YOUR WIN CONDITION. STOP GT'ING.

TL;DR; Mimicking n1 = autovio because against your win condition AND intentional / Drunking n1 is still really bad, even if not gt

Mimicking n1 autovio
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Yes Yes Yes
GuyFawkes85
Volta
Bookkeeper
Orienteering
Make mimicking n1 autovio
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Yes
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Yes
Giga13
about 7 years
Whether mimicing n1 is GT is the same concept as fungunning or vig shooting n1; none of these are gt
GuyFawkes85
about 7 years
It is the definition of gt...

"Intentionally playing against your win condition":

"(INTENTIONALLY) picking someone n1 when you have 33% of doing something good for your party instead of 100%"
jess
about 7 years
good thread but mimicking n1 isnt gt
GuyFawkes85
about 7 years

dzanek1143 says

Drinking N1 is optimal for the following reasons:
1. You confirm tracker being roleblocked.
2. If tracker claim outs as roleblocked with non-jan, you don't have to out as drunk to confirm if there's tracker cc and ml.
3. Tracker can confirm your visit and become clear.
4. You prevent mafia auto-win if tracker tracks you, jan'd non-visiting drunk, when mafia claims drunk.
5. You clear somebody of being janitor.
6. You may get lucky and make janitor kill the bomb drinking ninja.
7. You clear uncc'd bomb claim of being ninja when roleblocked.
8. You may roleblock mimic who's "gamethrowing".

If you're afraid of non-jan wifom, it's better to pretend you didn't drink after drinking than not drinking at all, for the reasons given above.


1. You confirm him, but still YOU won't be clear, only tracker
2. Town always outs all prs, so that point isn't valid (because they're bad, not your fault)
3. Tracker confirming your visit (if you out first) doesn't make him clear, because his report can be fake
4. Depends on how mafia claims drunk
5. You don't clear anyone of being jan, in case of no jan
6. That's 1/8 (of you being on ninja) x 1/8 (of maf hitting bomb) = 1/64 chances - DEFINITELY not worth it
7. ???
8. That's the worst case scenario and the MAIN reason not to drunk

And that's about drunking n1

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Mimicking n1 is just plain gt, since it's intentional AND against your win condition, but for some reason mods no vio it.
ecliptic
about 7 years
GuyFawkes85 you are bad and your reaction was borderline GT. Stop with the thinly veiled whinges please.
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who r u telling to stfu
illuminati
about 7 years
stfu
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mimicing n1 is tossing, drunking isn't
deletedabout 7 years
I agree n1 mimic should be GT but only if there's proven intent from the player to play blatantly suboptimally
Orienteering
about 7 years
on top of what dzanek said, drinking n2 is the same way ONLY IF YOU ARE DRINKING CONFIRMED MAFIA. DO NOT DRUNK IF THERE IS NO CONFIRMED MAFIA. DO NOT DRUNK BECAUSE YOU MIGHT SCREW YOUR MIMIC OVER
dzanek1143
about 7 years
Drinking N1 is optimal for the following reasons:
1. You confirm tracker being roleblocked.
2. If tracker claim outs as roleblocked with non-jan, you don't have to out as drunk to confirm if there's tracker cc and ml.
3. Tracker can confirm your visit and become clear.
4. You prevent mafia auto-win if tracker tracks you, jan'd non-visiting drunk, when mafia claims drunk.
5. You clear somebody of being janitor.
6. You may get lucky and make janitor kill the bomb drinking ninja.
7. You clear uncc'd bomb claim of being ninja when roleblocked.
8. You may roleblock mimic who's "gamethrowing".

If you're afraid of non-jan wifom, it's better to pretend you didn't drink after drinking than not drinking at all, for the reasons given above.
Orienteering
about 7 years

Diabolik says

well if you drunk ninja and mafia kill bomb jan will die, i mean no mimic n1 is fine no drunk not sure.. autoynch d1 drunk target in case of no jan is silly


tbh I made it a strat this round to no Jan. people used to do both and neither all the time, but I made it a meme after winning as ninja once
Diabolik
about 7 years
well if you drunk ninja and mafia kill bomb jan will die, i mean no mimic n1 is fine no drunk not sure.. autoynch d1 drunk target in case of no jan is silly
matt
about 7 years
https://epicmafia.com/game/6234561/review
GuyFawkes85
about 7 years
Way less than Jan 2.0, if we have to talk about that
matt
about 7 years
no but the setup just sucks
GuyFawkes85
about 7 years

matt says

alternatively just delete the setup from existence and/or blacklist it


And then people will be bad on another one. The idea is to TEACH to people NOT TO BE BAD (and not to GT)
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matt says

alternatively just delete the setup from existence and/or blacklist it

matt
about 7 years
alternatively just delete the setup from existence and/or blacklist it
GuyFawkes85
about 7 years
Maf has no problem to win and has more than one strat. Ninja always leads, then maf decides to jan and no guise or to guise and not jan (rarely both or none). For the rest it's pretty standard.

Usually there is one cc (usually tracker), town SHOULD go in blues, so they get one more report in case maf doesn't sac (or a confirmed maf in case of sac).

Depending on what you lynch (and if there was a jan, what is janned) move from there.
Orienteering
about 7 years
btw, there are some dope maf strats that guyfawkes will add into the comments over time