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Round pause scenario

mandevian
over 7 years

If the round is paused for investigation, and someone has reached 2k points.

1- People can still play their hearts ( ideally the round should be paused and people should not be allowed to play, but since it does not make a difference, and it is fun to play, we allow players to play). Moreover it is not the fault of the players so they should be allowed to play.

2- Once the day is over, the positions will be frozen. So if after the round is paused and no one is suspended then the winners can't change. This is a rule because otherwise it defeats the whole point of hearts not stacking past 10.

3- If one of the top 3 is suspended after the pause and at least one of the top 3 is still above 2k points then the 4th place person can win 3rd place.

4- If 2 players are suspended and one person is still above 2k, then 4th and 5th will win silver and bronze respectively. The positions 4th and 5th are determined based on their position before the day ended. If they play their hearts after the day has ended and their position changes, then the positing before the day end is considered.

5- If someone is suspended from top 3 and there is no one above 2k then another day of round will be played. In this case the positions can change.

The above rules have been enforced every time and users have been denied trophy due to the above rules.

I myself have never been in such a situation but I have witnessed many cases.

I argued that people should be allowed to play their hearts and change positions if someone is suspended, but the admin and mods argued that it defeats the whole purpose behind the heart reset and heart stacking purpose.

I argued that people were not aware that they could win so they didn't try.

They said that people are expected to try their best and play all their hearts within the time limit so that it is fair for everyone.

Today we face a situation where for the first time a mod is involved and can get into top 3 by playing the hearts after the reset.

Now should we do?

Should we or should we not change the rule?

deletedover 7 years
dreamer i plussed your post because that happened to me once. however, now that i look at it it really is unfair: you get extra time just because you could not get enough wins with your hearts... you play it all or veg hearts, thats for everyone
Enamored
over 7 years
Games typically aren't refunded unless someone asks for a refund. So, at a later date when we discover someone is playing in someone else's favour, we refund those games when evidence has piled up to prove it.
deletedover 7 years

Enamored says

well, there is...

sometimes you need more evidence someone is playing in another persons favour


How does this even matter?

If a gt happened and it satisfies the requirement for a refund, then refund it immediately. Often they get the vio within one day but it takes 5 days to get the refund. We always just assume it will not be refunded, so we are not prepared for it
Enamored
over 7 years
well, there is...

sometimes you need more evidence someone is playing in another persons favour
deletedover 7 years

Enamored says


dr3amer says


Enamored says


dr3amer says



Refunds should take place more quickly. 6hours before the reset and after the round ended is not acceptable (again people have lives and Europeans are asleep then)


When refunds take place, typically the round is paused for 24 hours so they can play those hearts. (if after the deadline, ofc)


no one has hearts then to play the refunded games. They should be refunded like the 2nd to last day at least


People can have games thrown for them any time, including a minute before the round ends. 0:)

In an ideal world refunding ASAP would be great, but there are circumstances which prevent this.


agree but there is no excuse for a game on day 3 to not be refunded until day11

do the report and then process the refund.

I also had instances where I got a game refunded like 4hrs before reset when I was asleep, so I lost a heart in the process because I was asleep
Enamored
over 7 years

dr3amer says


Enamored says


dr3amer says



Refunds should take place more quickly. 6hours before the reset and after the round ended is not acceptable (again people have lives and Europeans are asleep then)


When refunds take place, typically the round is paused for 24 hours so they can play those hearts. (if after the deadline, ofc)


no one has hearts then to play the refunded games. They should be refunded like the 2nd to last day at least


People can have games thrown for them any time, including a minute before the round ends. 0:)

In an ideal world refunding ASAP would be great, but there are circumstances which prevent this.
Enamored
over 7 years
You can always tell if the round has the possibility of ending judging from score and hearts.
deletedover 7 years

Enamored says

Europeans shouldn't get more time as everyone gets the same amount of time. Just because the round ends at an inconvenient time for you, you still have other hours in the last day ​play your hearts.


The issue is that you sometimes do not know that the round will end. I had times when I thought that it would not, but 1 person had like 10 games to play and they got like 2002 so the round ended barely a couple hours before the reset and I did not play my hearts since it was like 4AM. I am not sure if this is possible to script this but it would be nice if the round ended 12 hrs or reset (whichever is later) the day that someone crosses 2000.
deletedover 7 years

Enamored says


dr3amer says



Refunds should take place more quickly. 6hours before the reset and after the round ended is not acceptable (again people have lives and Europeans are asleep then)


When refunds take place, typically the round is paused for 24 hours so they can play those hearts. (if after the deadline, ofc)


no one has hearts then to play the refunded games. They should be refunded like the 2nd to last day at least
Enamored
over 7 years

dr3amer says



Refunds should take place more quickly. 6hours before the reset and after the round ended is not acceptable (again people have lives and Europeans are asleep then)


When refunds take place, typically the round is paused for 24 hours so they can play those hearts. (if after the deadline, ofc)
Enamored
over 7 years
Europeans shouldn't get more time as everyone gets the same amount of time. Just because the round ends at an inconvenient time for you, you still have other hours in the last day ​play your hearts.
deletedover 7 years

johnreid says


Enamored says

If the rule was changed then I disagree with it.

You shouldn't have more time to trophy when the deadline has passed, unless your games are refunded because you unknowingly played with someone throwing for you.


This is the fair rule that I thought was in place.

Extra time should only be permitted with special circumstances such as a refund


One issue that needs fixed is that someone can end the round like 30min before the reset. There should be a decent amount of time between the round ending and the reset. Its unfair for the Europeans that are asleep before reset and for others that are working then. I think that you should have close to 24hrs to play after the round ends. In this case, Gerry had like 18+ hours to play these hearts though?

They do need clearly defined rules and mods that will adhere to them fairly. I hope that the new admins can make some improvements in this regard.

Refunds should take place more quickly. 6hours before the reset and after the round ended is not acceptable (again people have lives and Europeans are asleep then)
johnreid
over 7 years

Enamored says

If the rule was changed then I disagree with it.

You shouldn't have more time to trophy when the deadline has passed, unless your games are refunded because you unknowingly played with someone throwing for you.


This is the fair rule that I thought was in place.

Extra time should only be permitted with special circumstances such as a refund
mandevian
over 7 years
I want evidence of rule change. I wanna know that if a mod claims it is changed to get the trophy then whether he is telling the truth or not. If he is lying and is supported by his team then the mod team has no integrity.
Enamored
over 7 years
If the rule was changed then I disagree with it.

You shouldn't have more time to trophy when the deadline has passed, unless your games are refunded because you unknowingly played with someone throwing for you.
xxerox
over 7 years
Best way to change rules is ifmthey hurt a mod. It is always more convinient that way. Moderators using the rules to punish others, but using the same rules and reading them differently to push their own agenda.
mandevian
over 7 years

GundamTanaka says

Rule was changed awhile ago lol


What do you mean by "a while ago" ?

That itself proves that the rule was changed today to give you the trophy.
PatrykSzczescie
over 7 years
We won't finish the round until we get a new admin.
mandevian
over 7 years
Please share evidence of rule change.
deletedover 7 years
Rule was changed awhile ago lol
yachi
over 7 years
denial is alive
deletedover 7 years
ban gerry imho
mandevian
over 7 years
1- id be very happy if gerry trophied instead of these trolls.

2- but if one of these players are suspended, then according to the rules, mrterrytibs should get third place as he was 4th when the day ended. Gerry was tied with wrath for 5th place when day ended.

3- if 2 players are suspended then wrath and gerry will be tied for 3rd place so another day will have to be played.
denial
over 7 years
are you trying to bait the obvious answer so that you can make sure gerry doesnt get a trophy when a suspension happens
mandevian
over 7 years
Discuss refunds in another thread please. And yes, you can't be overtaken unless you are suspended. Your 3rd place is frozen. You can now either get second or first if players above you are suspended. If you had less than 2k then the story would be different.