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MeetTerry

over 7 years

greetings epicmafia community,

i wanted to discuss trans people.

i think they should dress up as the gender they want to be.

make trans ppl dress like their gender

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yeaaaaaa

trans people should look like the gender they want to be

true

false

cub

over 7 years

verumbark says

pineapples on pizza is a disagreement. telling trans people their validity depends on how well they conform to societal gender roles is malicious.

im not criticizing trans people im criticizing people who use the label as a form of inherited pride

again, trans people don't typically say they're trans, they're simply themselves

baabaa

over 7 years

cub says

view says

since when is misgendering """disagreeing"""

you can't misgender someone who doesn't have a gender

This is the dumbest thing you've ever said. good job

verumbark

over 7 years

pineapples on pizza is a disagreement. telling trans people their validity depends on how well they conform to societal gender roles is malicious.

Ben

over 7 years

verumbark says

im pretty sure what youre referring to is called pride? and trans people sure as hell do tell people what gender they are if theyre confident (and safe) enough to correct them

what cub is talking about is people who build an identity around being trans rather than actual personality traits or interests

cub

over 7 years

view says

since when is misgendering """disagreeing"""

you can't misgender someone who doesn't have a gender

cub

over 7 years

nepenthe says

fun fact agender ppl are a subset of trans ppl

agender
prefix a-: without
to be agender is to be WITHOUT a gender, fundamentally incompatible with the concept of gender

transgender
prefix trans-: (a)cross
to be transgender is to be ANOTHER gender, fundamentally reliant on the concept of gender

view

over 7 years

since when is misgendering """disagreeing"""

verumbark

over 7 years

yeah what nepenthe said

cub

over 7 years

baabaa says

>harassing a 15 year old

if people disagreeing with you is harassment you'll find yourself disagreeing with a whole bunch of people throughout your life and it won't be because you're right

verumbark

over 7 years

agender is under the trans umbrella, being a type of gender other than cis; normally i dont use the term "trans" to refer to myself either but its easier for the sake of this thread

nepenthe

over 7 years

cub says

verumbark says

im never surprised when i get called a girl! what hurts me is when i tell people nicely that im not (which i do, despite self-advocacy sometimes being a very dangerous thing for trans people to practice) and they still insist, sometimes aggressively, upon calling me a girl. i understand when people mistake me for a girl, and i understand when people honestly forget im not, but i have faced actual, real harassment just for saying "uh, it's 'they', just so you know"

this is what looks like a trend to me. agender and transgender are not the same, referring to yourself as transgender and calling yourself agender makes me think you don't even know why you're using these words

fun fact agender ppl are a subset of trans ppl

verumbark

over 7 years

cub says

trenders just wear their whole existence like a cheap costume to validate themselves as special and ~different~ because they have nothing else going for them and desperately need attention. trans people don't typically go around saying they're trans

im pretty sure what youre referring to is called pride? and trans people sure as hell do tell people what gender they are if theyre confident (and safe) enough to correct them

baabaa

over 7 years

>harassing a 15 year old

cub

over 7 years

verumbark says

im never surprised when i get called a girl! what hurts me is when i tell people nicely that im not (which i do, despite self-advocacy sometimes being a very dangerous thing for trans people to practice) and they still insist, sometimes aggressively, upon calling me a girl. i understand when people mistake me for a girl, and i understand when people honestly forget im not, but i have faced actual, real harassment just for saying "uh, it's 'they', just so you know"

this is what looks like a trend to me. agender and transgender are not the same, referring to yourself as transgender and calling yourself agender makes me think you don't even know why you're using these words

view

over 7 years

MeetTerry says

view says

good thing you're not agender cub so you really don't get to decide if it's rude

im no baker but i know when a cake taste like shi

the cake has no perception of flavor as it's not a living creature please elaborate what possible logic you used to craft this analogy. i've been looking at this for ten minutes and i cannot comprehend it at all

nepenthe

over 7 years

MeetTerry says

verumbark says

MeetTerry says

dont be surprised when you get called a girl when you're tryin to look like a man with a dress on

im never surprised when i get called a girl! what hurts me is when i tell people nicely that im not (which i do, despite self-advocacy sometimes being a very dangerous thing for trans people to practice) and they still insist, sometimes aggressively, upon calling me a girl. i understand when people mistake me for a girl, and i understand when people honestly forget im not, but i have faced actual, real harassment just for saying "uh, it's 'they', just so you know"

you're a girl though

what makes you think you're a man

i really shouldn't respond to terry should i

they aren't a girl nor do they think they're a man this is not how it works it's not how any of this works

cub

over 7 years

i see your paragraph and play a paragraph +1 int

MeetTerry

over 7 years

verumbark says

MeetTerry says

dont be surprised when you get called a girl when you're tryin to look like a man with a dress on

im never surprised when i get called a girl! what hurts me is when i tell people nicely that im not (which i do, despite self-advocacy sometimes being a very dangerous thing for trans people to practice) and they still insist, sometimes aggressively, upon calling me a girl. i understand when people mistake me for a girl, and i understand when people honestly forget im not, but i have faced actual, real harassment just for saying "uh, it's 'they', just so you know"

you're a girl though

what makes you think you're a man

cub

over 7 years

verumbark says

and cub people dont choose to be harassed and made uncomfortable every day, to be constantly judged by strangers who think they can determine the validity of you as a person, to have to go through these "debates" defending their own basic rights, even to be thrown out of their homes as children, just for the sake of a trend. people dont "choose" or "pretend" to be trans because its cool. people ARE trans, and because of that, they have to face stuff like this from people like you and worse

this is all very noble of you to type, but i said trenders not genders. trans people hate transtrenders because trenders just wear their whole existence like a cheap costume to validate themselves as special and ~different~ because they have nothing else going for them and desperately need attention. trans people don't typically go around saying they're trans because as far as they're concerned they're just themselves while trenders go around wearing labels like badges to show what a high-ranking snowflake they are at the expense of the entire image of the community they're leeching off of

Floor

over 7 years

you cant even read my mockery right, i feel insulted in even that

verumbark

over 7 years

Floor says

telling you 'who i am' isnt the same thing as what I'm mocking you for, which is a lack of ability in reasoning to answer a simple question.

oh, see, what i saw you mock me for was the fact that im 15 and i claim to know who i am. youre an adult, i assume. why dont you tell me who you are? do you know who you are? how much detail can you go into?

Ben

over 7 years

can you explain why its rude to ask if you have d1ck a v4gina or to an agender person because surely it doesnt even matter

verumbark

over 7 years

MeetTerry says

dont be surprised when you get called a girl when you're tryin to look like a man with a dress on

im never surprised when i get called a girl! what hurts me is when i tell people nicely that im not (which i do, despite self-advocacy sometimes being a very dangerous thing for trans people to practice) and they still insist, sometimes aggressively, upon calling me a girl. i understand when people mistake me for a girl, and i understand when people honestly forget im not, but i have faced actual, real harassment just for saying "uh, it's 'they', just so you know"

view

over 7 years

cub says

view says

good thing you're not agender cub so you really don't get to decide if it's rude

i bet the Agender community likes having you as their sole spokesperson

there's two spokespeople here actually

Floor

over 7 years

verumbark says

and uhhhh floor why dont you tell me who you are? tell me abt yourself. everything you know about your personality, your identity, your philosophies. im interested

telling you 'who i am' isnt the same thing as what I'm mocking you for, which is a lack of ability in reasoning to answer a simple question.

verumbark says

i mean you dont walk up to random people and say "hey man whats in your pants" so why should you get to do that to trans people

youre talking to random people online about topics far more sensitive, controversial and actually meaningful than what chromosome you have, kid.