All rise. The Sandbox Court, is now in session, the Honorable Judge Parudoks presiding. Members of the Jury, your duty today will be to determine whether Pineapple is a suitable topping to be placed on pizza. This court case will last from May 7th to May 13th
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In a surprising turn of events, the Jury has found that Pineapple does indeed belong on pizza. Thank you everyone for participating in the first debate!
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John Miller is on point. There is a lengthy legal precedent, your honor, going back to 1789, whereby a defendant can claim self-defense against an agent of the government, if that act is deemed a defense against tyranny, a defense of liberty.
I'm afforded the right to speak in my own defense of pizza toppings, sir, by the Constitution of the United States. This is the same document that guarantees my liberty to choose which toppings are put on my pizza.
Now, liberty, in case you've forgotten, is the soul's right to eat. And when it cannot take a full bite, laws are girdered too tight. Without liberty, man is a syncope.
luis4rod, another member of the opposition, graciously suggests that pineapple should still be "allowed". But let's assume the anti-pineapplers get their way. Let's assume they don't "ban" it, but they make it socially unacceptable to consume pineapple pizzas in public. What do you think will happen to pineapple pizza? Do you think Domino's will continue to carry an ingredient if there's a massive drop in its popularity?
Let's return to the prompt that spurred the original debate question. "Does pineapple belong on pizza? Should it even be sold in stores?"
When I saw the question, I knew I had to join the pro-pineapple team because I believe in a world where anybody is allowed to peacefully enjoy pineapple on pizza without stigma or discrimination. I love my delicious PB&J pizza. What terrifies me is that in the future it might be quite difficult for me to enjoy one.
The opposition is attacking a strawman about cheap, low quality pizzas. Twice the point has been made about grilled pineapple. Twice, nobody on the opposition has contested it.
This debate has caused me to ask, "Why is the backlash so strong? What makes an anti-pineapple person tick"? These responses have been very informative. It ISN'T about "slime". It isn't about hot vs cold ingredients. These are false "because" reasons. It's not the true root.
It's about culture. They have gone years and years without knowing the glorious experience a well-made pineapple pizza can provide. They fear it. Conceding that grilled pineapple *might* be good might be true, but it would violate their culture. The cultural identity of an anti-pineappler is much stronger than, say, an anti-olive or anti-sausage.
Humans are tribal creatures. They seek validation. They seek to surround themselves with others that are like them--those who validate their beliefs. This innate need is so strong that we're willing to sacrifice less-important beliefs for a sense of belonging.
Reamix correctly identified the pineapple on pizza is a less serious issue. I am willing to wager that the vast majority of those who don't claim to love pineapple, in actuality, have no real strong opinion on the topic. They are simply attracted to the cultural identity of an anti-pineappler. They like the idea of standing for something. It's just that the anti-pineapplers are so much louder than the pro-pineapplers. (Pineapple on pizza is common and accepted in most places of the world, so pro-pineapplers don't have to fight so strongly to maintain the status quo.)
This argument has already been debunked on the previous page.
I have friends that are allergic to peanuts. I wouldn’t cook a peanut dish for them. Does this mean that peanut butter sandwiches should be banned? Of course not!
As previously mentioned, grilling the pineapple solves this problem. If pineapple was grilled before it was placed on pizza, would you change your view?
It sounds that you do not object to pineapple on pizza. You simply object to the way pineapple pizza is currently prepared. Wouldn’t it be far more worthwhile to advocate for higher-quality pineapple than to try to get it removed from pizza?
Gordon Ramsay depends on saying inflammatory things on Twitter to maintain his brand. This is hardly the first controversial, attention-seeking tweet he’s made.
Objection! Your honor, BaneofMafia is trying to make this a deeper problem then it really is. Homophobia, and other forms of discrimination are deep systematic issues. To compare pineapple on pizza dislike to legitimate horrors that marginalized groups face everyday is insulting. This isn't a matter of institutionalized discrimination, this is a matter of tastebuds. And furthermore throughout this case I have not seen any of us from the 'no' side attack those who like pineapple pizza. We are attacking the object at hand. I feel as if BaneofMafia is implying that those who don't like pineapple pizza are in some way prejudice, and by comparing pineapple on pizza with these serious social issues it feels like a further implication that the dislike of pineapple on pizza is somehow the same as being homophobic.
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Your Honor, everybody in this courtroom is thinking about sexual orientation, you know, sexual preference, whatever you want to call it. Who does what to whom and how they do it. I mean, they're looking at pineapple on pizza and they're thinking about it.
They're looking at JohnMIller, luis4rod, even you, your Honor. They're wondering about it. Trust me, I know that they are looking at me and thinking about it. So let's just get it out in the open, let's get it out of the closet. Because this case is not just about AIDS, is it?
So let's talk about what this case is really all about, the general public's hatred, our loathing, our fear of homosexuals, and how that climate of hatred and fear translated into the discrimination of one particular topping, my client, pineapple.
The modern day pizza parlor does not use fresh pineapple, which would save us from the heinous extent of the slime problem. While fresh fruit would be healthy, the simple reality is that pizzas do not go the healthier route. They simply put this fruit straight from the can on your pizza. This canned fruit contains citric acid as a preservative, which makes it even more acidic and can cause, as expected, heartburn. These fruits are also soaked in a sugary syrup that is often high fructose corn syrup. HFCS has some VERY serious health concerns including: -A 55-45 fructose to glucose ratio in an unbound form -This has little financial costs to manufacturers but great human costs of increased obesity, diabetes, and chronic disease. -Biochemistry: No digestion is required for HFCS so they are more rapidly absorbed into your bloodstream. Fructose goes to the liver and triggers a process called lipogenesis, the production of fats like triglycerides and cholesterol. This is why high fructose corn syrup is the second leading cause of “fatty liver disease” behind alcoholism which affects 70 million people. -Together, fructose and glucose(causes an increase in insulin production) lead to increased metabolic disturbances that drive increases in appetite, weight gain, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, dementia, and more. Furthermore, 1 cup of pineapple typically contains 131% of your daily Vitamin C. However canned goods are heated during the canning process. Vitamin C is destroyed under hot conditions, making pineapple pizza not a good way to get this necessary vitamin.
As you can see, pineapple pizza will not only ruin your social life with friends who dislike the topping, but also ruin your health.
Greetings users of Sandbox, jury, Honorable Judge Parudoks. Some of you who like pineapple pizza are probably baffled as why this topping is one of the biggest non-political debate topics of 2017, but open your mind and I hope to show you why you should not trust this sweet-and-salty combo.
My first point stems from the fact that a typical pizza is considered a party food. Although there are times where you will indulge in a pizza all for yourself, the majority of pizzas are enjoyed in groups of 2 or more. Based on personal experiences, I will always tell you that when with a group, there will always be at least one person (other than myself) who dislikes pineapple on their pizza. “Pick it off,” they’ll say. The problem with pineapple is it’s always accompanied with that… slime. That slime lingers even after you remove the horrendously chunky parcels from the sanctity that is a pizza pie. That acidity and overly sweet syrup ruins the pizza for anyone making a desperate attempt to save their tastebuds. As a result, it is not seen as a viable choice for a topping in a group setting.
I have an anecdote for you all about an experience I had with pineapple pizza and the problem it had caused me in my life.
It was about 2 years ago, a cold February day. A new friend of mine from school had invited me out bowling with her and another friend of her's from our school. I agreed and it was very fun. Afterwards we had gone over her friends apartment. I was battling a rough cold at the time so I was pretty anxious about all the new people and the fact that I was infecting them all... but I couldn't imagine what I would be faced with later. After starting Kill Bill, we were all sipping drinks when one of them had an idea to order pizza. However, i didn't have cash on me, but they told me it was alright i could have a slice or two still. And without even asking they ordered Hawaiian Pizza. I hadn't eaten most of the day so I was pretty hungry, but I didn't have the heart to tell them I didn't like Hawaiian pizza, because I wasn't contributing to the total purchase, but they told me it was fine. So I was extremely conflicted and anxious about it. Later after the pizza had arrived I ended up getting hungry enough to try and stomach it.... I could not. Even after scraping off the pineapple the sauce was still sweet and fruit tasting. It sunk into the cheese and the bread. It was everywhere. I couldn't escape it. I felt trapped. As I was still horribly coughing I had to force myself to eat a slice out of the irrational thinking that it would be rude for me to not finish something I started.My friend had noticed that I had scraped off the pineapple and she asked me "What?! you don't like pineapple on pizza?" Anyway, after that night that girl never called me again to hang out. Pineapple pizza never brings good things. It's only made my life worse.
It may seem like I’m digressing a bit (I am). But those who know what pizza is are those well versed in the culinary arts. So last but not least I bring in my last bit of evidence: Gordon Ramsay. Renowned chef, TV personality, and food EXPERT, posted this on his twitter a few weeks ago: https://twitter.com/GordonRamsay/status/849177082177482754 Now, I ask you all… How could you argue an expert? How can you argue a man who knows more about food than most of us do: A man who has mentored chefs to know what is right or wrong, A man who is an inspiration in the culinary world?
*Nods head at Judge Parudoks and Jury* Your honor. Members of the jury. Today I ask simple flavor. Think of something you detest… something so abhorrent that is somehow called food (that other people may love), and think of what you would argue if this debate were about that food instead of this. Maybe pineapple belongs on pizza to someone else. Maybe ketchup belongs on eggs. Maybe water tastes good with cereal… TO SOMEONE ELSE. I would like for you to take a look at the link I’ve provided: http://www.rd.com/funny-stuff/21-weird-food-combinations-and-obsessions/ . Here we see several examples of combinations of foods people like. Fries with the ice-cream is my personal favorite, but I know they don’t belong together. As humans we have a necessity for creative thought. We want to make the weirdest, brilliant, most beautiful things. Here i have another link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_pizza please refer to title: History. Now, as we know pizza was originally an Italian cuisine, (fun fact pizza in Italy is way healthier and w fresh herbs and such than what Americans know for most pizza). Fast food pizzas became popularized through companies such as pizza hut, little caesars, dominos, etc. However they do not embody what pizza truly is. America is known for it’s sweet tooth and it’s experimentation with the weirdest combination of things. And while it was supposedly a canadian man to create pineapple pizza... Canada influences a lot of it's food cuisines from our own. We are known for our unhealthy eating, so it's not surprising to see something sweet paired with something salty... but I ask WHAT IS NEXT? Even I cannot abide to cupcakes on pizza.
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To Serv who has debated from a more scientific standpoint, the ph of the female genitalia is also that of pineapple. I propose the argument that as many people enjoy food play that would have a variety of ph, so would those who eat pineapple pizza, and so I feel that the disparity is a good thing as there are two very different things coming together, contrasted with two very similar things that are scrumptious but is underwhelming to eat at times. I would like to argue that disparity is a good thing.
To luis, we are in the midst of a societal overturn. Every day things change, many countries are accepting of all walks of life instead of an unhealthy amount of censorship of the minority. Tradition is dead, and I feel it is time we move on with what is the best, and that is to break tradition with scrumptious pineapple on pizza.
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pH does not tell the whole story. Foods contain many chemical compounds and have varying textures, and are served at different temperatures. Each of these influences taste profile. Toothpaste has the same pH as bananas and olives, but few would argue that they go together just for that reason.
Furthermore, the pH of sliced tomatoes can be as low as 3.5. Yet sliced tomatoes are a common topping. (1)
Pineapple was discovered in the new world by Christopher Columbus. It was imported into the old world. The first successful pineapple plants grew in Europe in the 1700s. Pizza, on the other hand, did not become popular until the reunification of Italy in the 1800s, and until the 1890s, it was served as a sweet dish with sweet bread. We know that Europe had pineapples when pizza-eating became widespread, and pineapple was a status symbol at the time. (1)
It was not until an influential pizzeria in Naples ran by purists popularized the idea that there are only two "true" pizzas--pizza marinara and pizza margherita--that pizza began to be considered a savory dish. This pizzeria refused to serve any other toppings and publicly mocked the idea that other combinations would be considered "true pizza". (2)
Those who only accept "traditional" pizza look to these purists. But do they realize that they must also reject pepperoni, sausage, olives, peppers, bacon?
Those who reject pineapple because of "traditionalism" are victims of a marketing scheme designed to give a few elites a monopoly on the pizza market.
Pizza's popularity outside of Italy exploded because it was easy to customize. When Italian immigrants brought their dish to other parts of the world, they were thrilled to bring elements of their own culture. Free from the iron vices of the "True Neapolitan Pizza Association", Italians and others could finally test their ideas with the free market.
And the free market has decided that pineapple on pizza is worthy and appropriate. This conversation is evidence of that.
Ladies and gents, let me tell you of a story all about how my pizza got flipped upside down because i tasted the pineapple and immediately dropped it and realized, pineapple doesn't belong on pizza.
Pizza is traditionally an Italian dish which is located in Europe. Europe does not grow pineapples, Europe does grow cantaloupes. Therefore one fruit is perfectly acceptable (cantaloupes), while the other isn't (pineapple).
Now I respect all palettes, personal preferences, and innovation, however, traditionally, pineapples do not belong on pizza.
People of the Sandbox community, if you do not accept pineapple as a topping you should feel ashamed! When someone dislikes a topping, they should not complain about having it on a pizza, as every person has different taste for food. Nonetheless, when you criticize a pineapple pizza, you are creating a standard where it's acceptable to complain about everything in modern society, and transmitting those standards to children would cause a generation of whiny . To avoid this, we must accept every condiment and ingredient in our diets and pizza as it increases the number of possible combinations and encourages creativity.
P.S. If you dislike pineapple as a pizza topping, but proceed to order a Pepperoni only pizza, you are a hypocrite.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Forget everything you've seen on television and in the movies. There's not gonna be any last minute surprise witnesses. Nobody's gonna break down on the stand with a tearful confession.
You're gonna be presented with a simple fact: People put pineapple on their pizzas.
You'll hear two explanations: ours and theirs. It is up to you to sift through layer upon layer of truth until you determine for yourselves which version sounds the most true. There are certain points that I must prove to you.
Point number one, most if not all pizza shops have pineapple available as a topping. Point number two, the very fact that we are having this discussion is evidence of the topping's popularity. Point number three, Hawaiian Pizza is the best prevention for one of the worst illnesses, and ladies and gentlemen, the illness I am referring to is AIDS. Point number four, upon discovering this fact people will panic. And in their panic, they will do what most of us would like to do with AIDS, which is just get it, and everybody who has it, as far away from the rest of us as possible.
Now, the argument being presented by others may seem reasonable to you. It does to me. But no matter how you come to judge pineapple on pizza in ethical, moral, and in human terms, the fact of the matter is, when they stop people from choosing their pizza toppings, and enabling the spread of AIDS, they are breaking the law.
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